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Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
14. I'm 5'3" tall and weigh 109lbs.
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 09:57 PM
Apr 2012

Statistically, it is overwhelmingly likely that anyone making such a demand of me will be someone far larger and stronger (the vast majority of folks committing strongarm or armed robbery are young males, a group of which an even more vast majority are a lot bigger than a shrimp like me). Even if they are not displaying a weapon and are in fact unarmed, they are making an obvious implied threat of physical violence. Any physical conflict with someone with such an enormous advantage in size and weight has a significant probability of resulting in death or serious physical injury to me. It is not necessary for their threat of violence to be explicit under swuch circumstances. The implicit threat is not just plausible, it's the most reasonable interpretation of their intent.

I am under no moral obligation to assume that they will eschew violence against me, even if they state that this is the case. Their credibility is non-existent (they're committing a felony crime, ferchrissakes...). Scenarios such at this end in serious injury or death to the victims - even non-resisting ones - with sufficient frequency that it is by no means "paranoid" (as Hoyt rather vacuously described it) to be concerned about such an outcome.

Sorry, the implicit threat of violence contained in the act of attempting an armed or strongarm robbery is sufficient moral grounds for violent resistance. I will never even consider obeying any law that attempts to dictate otherwise.

There's a problem with that logic. TheWraith Apr 2012 #1
Lord you guys are paranoid. Hoyt Apr 2012 #6
No, just more knowledgeable than you. ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #8
Hey Hoyt, you're wanted over here.. X_Digger Apr 2012 #10
Maybe we should pass a law that mandates victims pretend they are dead until the perp leaves. Remmah2 Apr 2012 #17
You forgot to answer the question (nt) SATIRical Apr 2012 #21
So you are denying the existience of violent armed criminals? hack89 Apr 2012 #23
I have no problem with using deadly force to defend property. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #2
Actually.. Clames Apr 2012 #3
I do not trust a person who has elected to place a mortgage upon my life in exchange for my stuff AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #4
Only way you will get gun culture to stop killing over STUFF it to punish them harshly. Hoyt Apr 2012 #5
That's sort of the question, though Glaug-Eldare Apr 2012 #11
Some circumstances will have to be determined by juries. Hoyt Apr 2012 #12
If they have a weapon and say give me your wallet AH1Apache Apr 2012 #13
I'm 5'3" tall and weigh 109lbs. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2012 #14
Didn't you get the memo? PavePusher Apr 2012 #15
So I have to gamble my life that they would be satsified with my wallet? hack89 Apr 2012 #22
Maybe we could mandate burglars turn themselves in once a year. Remmah2 Apr 2012 #18
Fixed it for you Lurks Often Apr 2012 #19
This has been debated a few times here. PavePusher Apr 2012 #7
You wouldn't want a thief to make off with several of my firearms would you? ileus Apr 2012 #9
Touche! nt Remmah2 Apr 2012 #16
So I take it the consensus is "personal morals" Glaug-Eldare Apr 2012 #20
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