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Simo 1939_1940

(768 posts)
122. Spot-on. And why (in this instance) Rachel is even sleazier than a liar.
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 09:06 PM
Apr 2012

At least in the case of the liar, the guilty party faces the possibility of suffering consequences upon called out on their lie. Rachel and her equally deceitful apologists can always play the "Show me where I/she lied" card -- knowing full well that her loyal viewers will assume that plastic guns were/are an actual threat. It's a tactic pulled directly from the Michael Moore playbook: (emphasis added - from Dave Kopel's disection of "Bowling for Columbine&quot

"After the April 20 lead-in, Bowling begins an examination of middle-American gun culture, and indulges the bicoastal elite's snobbery toward American gun owners.

We are taken to the North County Bank in Michigan, which — like several other banks in the United States — allows people who buy a Certificate of Deposit to receive their interest in the form of a rifle or shotgun. (The depositor thereby receives the full value of the interest immediately, rather than over a term of years.)

Moore goes through the process of buying the CD and answering questions for the federal Form 4473 registration sheet. Although a bank employee makes a brief reference to a "background check," the audience never sees the process whereby the bank requires Moore to produce photo identification, then contacts the FBI for a criminal records check on Moore, before he is allowed to take possession of the rifle.

Moore asks: "Do you think it's a little bit dangerous handing out guns at a bank?" The banker's answer isn't shown.

So the audience is left with a smug sense of the pro-gun bank's folly. Yet just a moment's reflection shows that there is not the slightest danger. To take possession of the gun, the depositor must give the bank thousands of dollars (an unlikely way to start a robbery). He must then produce photo identification (thus making it all but certain that the robber would be identified and caught), spend at least a half hour at the bank (thereby allowing many people to see and identify him), and undergo an FBI background check (which would reveal criminal convictions disqualifying most of the people inclined to bank robbery). A would-be robber could far more easily buy a handgun for a few hundred dollars on the black market, with no identification required.

The genius of Bowling for Columbine is that the movie does not explicitly make these obvious points about the safety of the North County Bank's program. Rather, the audience is simply encouraged to laugh along with Moore's apparent mockery of the bank, without realizing that the joke is on them for seeing danger where none exists. This theme is developed throughout the film."

Full destruction of Moore's "work" here:

http://www.davekopel.com/NRO/2003/Bowling-Truths.htm

(Waiting for the genetic fallacy to be used to dismiss Kopel's accurate expose: 3......2......1......)

Did Michael Moore lie.....and tell his viewers that it was easy for criminals to get their hands on some of the promotional guns? No - he carefully crafted his film footage and narrative to deceitfully lead his pliable audience to that conclusion. Just as Rachel knew damn well that her audience would assume that "plastic guns" were/are an actual threat. Stephen Colbert applied the same tactic just last week on his program --- leading viewers to the conclusion that national gun violence was on the rise without explicitly stating such.
Castle Doctrine is inside the home gejohnston Apr 2012 #1
Nope - includes cars in OK jpak Apr 2012 #2
It would apply if gejohnston Apr 2012 #3
It's their word against the black vicitims jpak Apr 2012 #5
that is not how it works gejohnston Apr 2012 #8
LOL fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #15
Zimmerman has nothing to do with the castle doctrine gejohnston Apr 2012 #26
But where would you find 12 people with Riftaxe Apr 2012 #14
Uhmmmmm fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #17
Uhmmmmmmm, no, it takes 12 to convict, not one. rl6214 Apr 2012 #29
I think that's his point. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #32
Exactly fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #36
And the pro-gun crowd just smiles, knowing that one of their own will likely not be convicted. Hoyt Apr 2012 #67
Uhmmmmmmmmm fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #125
one for a mistrial gejohnston Apr 2012 #54
Here is part of that law that has nothing to do with your CASTLE Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #119
In Florida the investigation of the Martin shooting is continuing... spin Apr 2012 #25
You are wrong on both counts. one-eyed fat man Apr 2012 #110
Yep and I wasn't even aware that my State had it! teddy51 Apr 2012 #12
Did you read the whole thing? Like section D Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #118
no, just puts the gejohnston Apr 2012 #120
Is there evidence the tulsa shooters were attacked? nt rrneck Apr 2012 #4
there's a lot of evidence they were afeared of the black man. provis99 Apr 2012 #6
The statute quoted in the Op rrneck Apr 2012 #9
Wrong. Straw Man Apr 2012 #81
This is nonsensical flamebait, and an obvious attempt to disrupt the Gun Control & RKBA Group... petronius Apr 2012 #7
Your Sig Line CokeMachine Apr 2012 #10
And still absolutely NOTHING to dispute his claim. fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #18
I'll dispute his claim. Straw Man Apr 2012 #23
Question fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #24
Who? Straw Man Apr 2012 #79
You referenced 'he said, he said' fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #124
Again, who? Straw Man Apr 2012 #127
That a Dead Man Can't Speak fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #130
There were other witnesses. Straw Man Apr 2012 #134
Legitimate question of stupid GOP/NRA/ALEC vigilante laws jpak Apr 2012 #19
So now you've added ALEC to your shtick rl6214 Apr 2012 #31
An Axis of EvilŪ ? Glassunion Apr 2012 #38
That's all the OP has rl6214 Apr 2012 #30
Were they being attacked before the shootings? ileus Apr 2012 #11
Could jpak claim immunity under ignorance? PavePusher Apr 2012 #13
No foundation fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #16
Actually there are less restriction on the first amendment than the second. Remmah2 Apr 2012 #39
Not True fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #52
Probably wouldn't be a good idea to yell "fire" in a gun store either. Remmah2 Apr 2012 #53
Especially not with the people I see walking around in gun stores. Hoyt Apr 2012 #69
Why do you go to gun stores, Hoyt? Straw Man Apr 2012 #99
Not afraid of folks who can't leave home without a gun. Hoyt Apr 2012 #109
Ha BASS PRO, that explains everything. Remmah2 Apr 2012 #111
Posting to those like Zimmerman who carry routinely will make one like that. Hoyt Apr 2012 #113
I didn't mean the people. Straw Man Apr 2012 #112
Well then, was this an example of a Second Amendment Solution? jpak Apr 2012 #21
Some people should try a 5th amendment solution. Remmah2 Apr 2012 #40
Nah fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #129
No. Feelings have nothing to do with the section you cited? aikoaiko Apr 2012 #20
No. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #22
You can't be serious. krispos42 Apr 2012 #27
Only you would think such a thing or ask such a question. rl6214 Apr 2012 #28
"anti-gun zealots"? I haven't noticed too many, if any. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #33
But there are a number here that have embraced the term and admit to being anti-gun zealots rl6214 Apr 2012 #34
So, you carry to protect your family. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #41
Does your family ever leave your sight? rl6214 Apr 2012 #78
Yes Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #90
Neither have I but you never know. rl6214 Apr 2012 #115
"you never know" - So true. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #116
Well I'm glad we agree on "you never know" but rl6214 Apr 2012 #132
I do believe in being prepared. Very much so. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #135
How about naming one or two who embrace the name. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #42
easy gejohnston Apr 2012 #43
oh fer fuck's sake iverglas Apr 2012 #45
I belive I missed that one gejohnston Apr 2012 #50
really iverglas Apr 2012 #55
zealot is different than bigot gejohnston Apr 2012 #56
I'm not a zealot. ellisonz Apr 2012 #46
how does he ST define "pro gun zealot"? gejohnston Apr 2012 #49
What ellisonz said. DanTex Apr 2012 #47
you stay on the list gejohnston Apr 2012 #48
I'm also a "closet gunner". Go figure. DanTex Apr 2012 #59
I only know about you guys gejohnston Apr 2012 #60
So now you're claiming you've never met a single gun nut... Riiiiight... DanTex Apr 2012 #62
define gun nut gejohnston Apr 2012 #65
You don't like labels? Labels like "anti-gun zealot"? DanTex Apr 2012 #68
if you must. gejohnston Apr 2012 #74
One more time... DanTex Apr 2012 #75
the technology does not exist gejohnston Apr 2012 #77
Sorry, you aren't a credible source either. DanTex Apr 2012 #82
So one of your sources is a pro-gun blogger with a clear NRA bias, we can toss him out. DanTex Apr 2012 #76
not really gejohnston Apr 2012 #80
Yes, really. DanTex Apr 2012 #84
I never said she was lying gejohnston Apr 2012 #85
You claimed what she said was "demonstrably false". DanTex Apr 2012 #89
Yeah, about that report gejohnston Apr 2012 #92
Why do I always end up having to do your research for you? DanTex Apr 2012 #87
the aricle does not say that gejohnston Apr 2012 #91
What part of "the materials technology does exist" don't you understand? DanTex Apr 2012 #93
what part of gejohnston Apr 2012 #94
You do understand the difference between DanTex Apr 2012 #95
Yes I do gejohnston Apr 2012 #96
Again, the study literally said "the materials technology exists". DanTex Apr 2012 #97
what facts are those? gejohnston Apr 2012 #100
Evidence please. DanTex Apr 2012 #101
I have not found any evidence that gejohnston Apr 2012 #103
LOL. "I have to go with my version" DanTex Apr 2012 #104
no, she said Glock made the claim gejohnston Apr 2012 #106
Can't prove a negative. Straw Man Apr 2012 #117
A load. Straw Man Apr 2012 #98
Well, at least you recognize that she didn't actually say anything that was incorrect. DanTex Apr 2012 #102
I don't think anyone said it was the wrong thing to do gejohnston Apr 2012 #105
"The overwhelming vote is a no brainer." Simo 1939_1940 Apr 2012 #123
I see you like to play the same games. Straw Man Apr 2012 #114
Here's my take. DanTex Apr 2012 #121
Your take ... Straw Man Apr 2012 #126
Whether you admit it or not... DanTex Apr 2012 #128
Admit what? Straw Man Apr 2012 #131
Spot-on. And why (in this instance) Rachel is even sleazier than a liar. Simo 1939_1940 Apr 2012 #122
"Does any of this sound familiar? " rl6214 Apr 2012 #83
Iverglas wants to ban private ownership of handguns. That is not "gun-friendly". nt hack89 Apr 2012 #133
Proud to be included in the group. Like others, I'm against public toting. I also would like Hoyt Apr 2012 #70
why do you need to buy so many gejohnston Apr 2012 #71
Maybe collectors who don't carry. Don't see many like that around here though. Hoyt Apr 2012 #72
meth cooks are still gejohnston Apr 2012 #73
Yeah but, your side is losing and losing badly rl6214 Apr 2012 #86
I'm anti and a pro, depending on how I feel from day to day. ileus Apr 2012 #51
And there I was thinking you just left out the "sarcasm" thingy Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #64
I'll whine gejohnston Apr 2012 #57
I wouldn't describe you as a zealot Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #63
thanks but gejohnston Apr 2012 #66
out of the nine I listed gejohnston Apr 2012 #61
Proud to make your list. N/T GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #107
Blatant, mornic flamebait. Callisto32 Apr 2012 #35
aka SSDD nt Remmah2 Apr 2012 #44
Yes, absolutely, they can claim immunity JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2012 #37
Sure. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #58
jpak, you have put a lot of energy into posting ridiculous crap in this forum slackmaster Apr 2012 #88
I suppose. They could also claim innocence under an insanity plea... OneTenthofOnePercent Apr 2012 #108
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