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iverglas

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Tue Mar 27, 2012, 04:55 PM
Mar 2012

FLORIDA


776.013?Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—

(1)?A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if: ...


According to the Senate Committee Report, this presumption is irrebuttable.(20) Therefore, a court will not entertain arguments showing the nonexistence of the presumed fact, even in the face of overwhelming evidence. Rather, a court will direct a jury that if they find the basic fact, that the victim was unlawfully in the actor’s dwelling or vehicle, to be proven, then they must find the presumed fact that the actor had a reasonable fear of imminent death or bodily injury. This finding in turn justifies the use of deadly force, regardless of the circumstances.

(20) Fla. S. Rep. No. 107-436, 6pt. III, at 6 (2005) (Judiciary Rep.) (“Legal presumptions are typically rebuttable. The presumptions created by the committee substitute, however, appear to be conclusive.”). Accord Fla. H.R. Rep. No. 107-249 (2005) pt. B, at 4 (Judiciary Rep.) (“A person is presumed, rather than having the burden to prove, to have a reasonable fear.”).


The head of the Florida Prosecuting Attorneys Association said the law has given people who are too quick to fire a weapon "another defense." "In my mind, it was an unnecessary law," association President Bruce Colton said.

... In a January case in Orange County, the Sheriff's Office did not ask the Orange-Osceola State Attorney's Office to decide whether a homeowner with a shotgun should have been charged in the wounding of a drunken intruder who stumbled into the residence at 4 a.m., mistaking it for a friend's house.



KENTUCKY


A NEW SECTION OF KRS CHAPTER 503 IS CREATED TO READ AS FOLLOWS:
(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if: ...


A Fayette judge struggled to make sense of Kentucky’s new “home intruder” law yesterday, calling the National Rifle Association-backed legislation confusing, vague and poorly written.
“I’m not quite sure that the drafters had even a marginal knowledge of criminal law or Kentucky law,” Circuit Judge Sheila Isaac said. “It is absolutely silent on the court’s role.”

... In an interview yesterday, University of Kentucky law professor Robert Lawson, widely considered the state’s foremost expert on criminal law, sharply criticized the law. It was approved overwhelmingly by the General Assembly this spring, and it took effect this month.
“It is the worst legislation I have ever seen in 40 years,” said Lawson, the principal drafter of Kentucky’s penal code, which was adopted in 1975.

Supporters of Senate Bill 38, also called the castle doctrine, said that previous law required Kentuckians to retreat from robbers breaking into their home or car. Not so, Lawson says: Unlike many states, Kentucky never had such an obligation. ... Lawson said the home intruder law “is aimed at a problem that didn’t exist” and will create “huge problems of interpretation.”

The NRA sucks and Bloomberg is right on this issue jpak Mar 2012 #1
What about the *other* issues raised? You down with him on those? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #2
This is about NRA - not "other issues" jpak Mar 2012 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #17
That's not what you've said in the past- last Thursday for example: friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #18
So you're a one-issue voter ... Straw Man Mar 2012 #24
Hilarious, given how the NRA is in fact nothing but the National Republicans' Auxiliary. villager Mar 2012 #3
That's brilliant AH1Apache Mar 2012 #4
It makes you an enabler villager Mar 2012 #8
You give money to an organization that allies itself with the extreme right wing Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #63
how binary of you. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #5
You can tell someone's politics by who they ally with? Cool! friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #6
certainly by who they desperately, repeatedly apologize for villager Mar 2012 #7
So who here has apologized for the NRA? AH1Apache Mar 2012 #9
Nra endorsed Democrats... beevul Mar 2012 #13
Don't you love the double standard? The genetic and associational fallacies get applied regularly... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #20
Yup. beevul Mar 2012 #21
Compared to how many right wingers, and what's amount contributed. Hoyt Mar 2012 #23
" Do you know if Zimmerman will still make it? " rl6214 Mar 2012 #25
Hey, why should I use my brain - limited as it may be -- on those who believe guns Hoyt Mar 2012 #26
By far the best post you've ever made, hoyt. eqfan592 Mar 2012 #27
Guess next you'll be desperately defending ALEC,too? The NRA/ALEC connection: villager Mar 2012 #32
I read the Media Matters post claiming that gejohnston Mar 2012 #33
We understand you find the NRA much more credible than Media Matters villager Mar 2012 #36
I don't see the NRA claiming anything gejohnston Mar 2012 #38
Well, you wouldn't see that, would you? villager Mar 2012 #44
Why wouldn't we see that if it was there AH1Apache Mar 2012 #46
leopards don't change their spots gejohnston Mar 2012 #48
Thank you -- precisely the point about the NRA and the GOP! villager Mar 2012 #49
Dodge. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #42
will you give us the counterpart list of NRA-ILA-endorsed Republicans? iverglas Mar 2012 #34
Nobody is acting like the nra doesn't support republicans... beevul Mar 2012 #52
the spin never ends iverglas Mar 2012 #54
LOL. beevul Mar 2012 #57
too bad you didn't succeed iverglas Mar 2012 #58
that only means gejohnston Mar 2012 #59
NO IT DOES NOT NO IT DOES NOT NO IT DOES NOT iverglas Mar 2012 #62
Your interpretation... Clames Mar 2012 #64
............................... iverglas Mar 2012 #65
Quote the entire thing... Clames Mar 2012 #68
I've quoted the entire thing 87000 times at this site iverglas Mar 2012 #70
Some people... Clames Mar 2012 #73
I forget iverglas Mar 2012 #75
Sure I did. beevul Mar 2012 #60
oh, and btw, this is as nauseatingly, um, not candid iverglas Mar 2012 #35
I stand corrected, and so do you. beevul Mar 2012 #56
Bloomberg pushed hard to get marriage equality passed in NY, so, even though I really dislike... GodlessBiker Mar 2012 #10
...and then they accuse us of aligning with RWers... Union Scribe Mar 2012 #11
Why do I have to choose? tularetom Mar 2012 #12
I hate the NRA not the 2A... ileus Mar 2012 #14
Perfect is the enemy of the good. Loudly Mar 2012 #16
Agreed- which is why I accept legislation from RW assholes like Dennis Baxley friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #19
And yet Bloomie and Daley AH1Apache Mar 2012 #22
It took 58 years from Plessy to Brown v. Board of Ed. Loudly Mar 2012 #29
Heller is nothing like Plessy gejohnston Mar 2012 #30
I was just speaking of the duration until enlightenment. Loudly Mar 2012 #37
I suspect that your going to be waiting a long time AH1Apache Mar 2012 #39
McDonald over turned Cruikshank gejohnston Mar 2012 #40
McDonald may have disposed of the remnants of Cruikshank. Loudly Mar 2012 #43
And yet violent crime is at its lowest point in 20 years and gun sales are at historic highs AH1Apache Mar 2012 #45
please explain gejohnston Mar 2012 #47
What a red herring! Loudly Mar 2012 #50
hardly a red herring gejohnston Mar 2012 #51
Here's where your wrong AH1Apache Mar 2012 #53
shares, you are no different than any of the other "social cleansers" that have gone before you. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #55
two questions iverglas Mar 2012 #66
Don't you recognize the previously PPR'd person? X_Digger Mar 2012 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author ellisonz Mar 2012 #69
and the jury spoke on the previous allegation iverglas Mar 2012 #71
lol ellisonz Mar 2012 #72
Apply it evenly. PPR'd means PPR'd. X_Digger Mar 2012 #74
I have made that case. ellisonz Mar 2012 #76
I don't have to, Beevul did the hard work for me. X_Digger Mar 2012 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author ellisonz Mar 2012 #78
Then I'd suggest alerting and presenting your evidence. X_Digger Mar 2012 #79
It's been done... ellisonz Mar 2012 #80
I'm sure some of his more *cough* out there theories will take care of him. X_Digger Mar 2012 #81
Loudly is without a doubt the former sharesunited. beevul made the catch, here: friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #91
You're positively wrong. I'm happy to defend my own words, but don't attribute those of others Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author ellisonz Mar 2012 #83
Believe what you like... Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author ellisonz Mar 2012 #85
Oh my, care to tell us what was there? n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #89
After I pointed out that I wasn't the posters he was accusing me of being, Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #90
Well, he's consistent. eqfan592 Mar 2012 #28
hey, isn't it a free country? iverglas Mar 2012 #31
They're both dogs. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #41
You ever notice Gungeon posts never show on the front page anymore? Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #61
There are three kinds of people in the world... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #86
I'll narrow it down to two. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #87
Robert A. Heinlein discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #88
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