Gun Control & RKBA

benEzra

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116. The 1994 Feinstein law banned no guns, and actually tripled sales of AR's and AK's after 1994.

Sat Jul 18, 2015, 12:33 PM

Jul 2015

All it did was to require that civilian AR's and AK's could not be marketed under any of 19 banned names, and had to have a smooth muzzle or a pinned on muzzle brake instead of a threaded brake or flash suppressor. The AR-15 became the most popular civilian rifle in the United States during the Feinstein non-ban, and ironically the nonsensical law probably made the AR's dominance of the civilian market occur a decade earlier than it would have otherwise. 20, 30, and 40+ round magazines for AR's, AK's, and whatnot could be freely imported, possessed, and sold during the non-ban, and were.

The only real effect of the law was to help drive the handgun market toward smaller, more concealable pistols, and toward larger calibers in full-sized pistols, by making traditional 15+ round 9mm magazines more expensive. But it did not ban them, and they could be freely bought and sold. The civilian AK that I shot for a while in USPSA competition was a 2002 model, FWIW. I bought it in 2003, along with several 30-round magazines and a rare 40-round RPK magazine. The 30's were $10 or $15, as I recall.

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This country will never be able to control guns and there is only one inevitable conclusion... [View all] luvspeas Jul 2015 OP

Control is a myth, it doesn't exist. n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #1

Yea..... daleanime Jul 2015 #5

We need to accept the idea that the rule of law will never... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #17

So, how else do we deplete the pool of criminals? AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #28

^^^ Respect is a real key ^^^ discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #30

^^^This is how intelligent, honorable Democrats think pablo_marmol Jul 2015 #98

We have been saying the same thing for years.. virginia mountainman Jul 2015 #102

Australia did it with new laws and a massive gun buyback procon Jul 2015 #2

It's a much bigger problem here. By more than ten times. luvspeas Jul 2015 #4

Not a valid reason to go along with the status quo. procon Jul 2015 #8

Mandatory registration laws have a less than 5% compliancy rate. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #12

Attitudes change and people evolve as civil societies mature. procon Jul 2015 #15

I'm all for firearm safety education. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #16

In fairness, the NFA seems to have been successful. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #26

While I agree regarding the status quo... Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #13

im not saying we shouldn't try I'm saying no matter what we do luvspeas Jul 2015 #14

We can't throw simply throw the baby out with the bathwater over a few outliers. procon Jul 2015 #113

The biggest obstacle to confiscation is the fact TeddyR Jul 2015 #96

Doing nothing is not a solution. procon Jul 2015 #112

No they don't "want better control".. virginia mountainman Jul 2015 #103

Dixie Swastika. NRA Swastika. Both coming down. It is only logical. 320 million guns. Irrefutable. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #109

Speaking of logic, you seem to be lacking it completly in this post.. virginia mountainman Jul 2015 #120

You were amusing, now you are Full Ignore #39...you earned it with one too many personal attacks. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #121

Since it will spare me the chants of "Vile NRA", "Dixie Swastika", et cetera, add me! friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #124

Never understood why someone would block the views of those they disagree with TeddyR Jul 2015 #127

They must block it.. virginia mountainman Jul 2015 #141

I thought you said you were up to #45. oneshooter Jul 2015 #129

I thought it was #47 Shamash Jul 2015 #132

LOL! I am not the one making up words, and ignoring basic grammar.. virginia mountainman Jul 2015 #136

Australia doesn't have a 2nd amendment like mechanism. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #25

Australia also does not permit AK-47 style assault-type weapons to be so freely and easily purchased. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #33

Right, but AK's are in common use so, protected by the 2nd Amendment. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #35

Australia also bans pump shotguns, and is now talking about banning lever-actions benEzra Jul 2015 #111

Let Australia act in their own best interests. procon Jul 2015 #114

We have. Our existing firearms laws reflect the U.S. consensus. benEzra Jul 2015 #115

I question that scenerio. procon Jul 2015 #43

That only prohibited the manufacture of new ones. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #46

But voluntarily turning in your gun is. nt procon Jul 2015 #61

Sure, that would be legal. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #64

It's quite common in California. procon Jul 2015 #73

It's a rare day when someone turns in an AR though. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #81

The 1994 Feinstein law banned no guns, and actually tripled sales of AR's and AK's after 1994. benEzra Jul 2015 #116

Instead of spending effort defending the status quo, procon Jul 2015 #118

Yes. Taking down the Dixie Swastika and making it radioactive is an excellent and topical example. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #122

We sure are! discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #123

Well, there haven't been any mass bayonetings since then, right? Shamash Jul 2015 #125

If you think that's a significant issue then keep at it and demand a greater effort procon Jul 2015 #126

Not sure what was "won." Subsequent critics have contended the "turn-in" rate is much smaller Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #41

Yes, but the law still had desired results. procon Jul 2015 #55

The problem with Australia's crime rate: It shares that phenomenon with many countries... Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #69

We've already done it. procon Jul 2015 #74

So "very powerful guns" is "again" fluid, subject to ever-more restriction? Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #76

Except you're fighting to ban many of the *least* powerful and *least* misused. benEzra Jul 2015 #117

won what? gejohnston Jul 2015 #110

Constitutional amendment giving all citizens the right to free body armor and helmets lostnfound Jul 2015 #3

I don't see how the right to life conflicts with the right to bear arms. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #36

The right of sane people to bear arms = okay. Right of insane people to bear arms = problem. lostnfound Jul 2015 #88

What do you mean by 'insane'? AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #91

To me, the community of gun owners ought to be responsible for figuring out a solution lostnfound Jul 2015 #94

"To me, the community of gun owners out to be responsible........." pablo_marmol Jul 2015 #119

Drunk driving is illegal whether or not you kill someone. lostnfound Jul 2015 #130

even if it were possible, it would have zero effect gejohnston Jul 2015 #131

Japan's one of my favorite countries. Nt lostnfound Jul 2015 #133

I lived there gejohnston Jul 2015 #134

as a post script, gejohnston Jul 2015 #135

Maybe when their suicide rate isn't double what ours is pablo_marmol Jul 2015 #138

You completely misinterpreted my post. Try reading it again. pablo_marmol Jul 2015 #137

When these murders occur, the last thing discussed are guns yeoman6987 Jul 2015 #6

"Everything else is discussed but guns!" Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #19

My goodness! With all respect, where have you been? Virtually every shooting that Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #42

A british criminologist found out that guns are neither solution to nor cause of gun-violence. DetlefK Jul 2015 #7

So are you saying that I am wrong in the direction we are heading? luvspeas Jul 2015 #9

As I said... DetlefK Jul 2015 #10

Yet violent crime rate in England is up since their handgun ban Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #54

The US is already adapted to mass shootings. IMO, a mass shooting per week is not far away. AlinPA Jul 2015 #68

Don't know about Czechia but if Americans had to go through flamin lib Jul 2015 #11

The Swiss Constitution grants an explicit right to individual firearm ownership. n/t Shamash Jul 2015 #21

If we had a Swiss-style national security strategy I would wager Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #78

It would be good to see this study, and I have heard of it... Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #52

found the link DetlefK Jul 2015 #108

I think there is an authentic and on the whole positive quality to individual(ism)... Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #140

Remember Chris Rock on "Bullet Control"? procon Jul 2015 #18

The Controller over-reliance on cartoons and comedians makes it very hard to take them seriously. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #20

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AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your alert AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #32

A safer post would have been to stick to references to penis-length & paranoia. Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #44

Nope, the penis reference was hidden sarisataka Jul 2015 #50

Oh my. It seems she is laboring under the misconceptions that I am a man and the alerter. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #79

Thank you. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #57

I still say the genie is out of the bottle and we are headed toward one inevitable conclusion luvspeas Jul 2015 #22

"There will be blood. more blood." In the streets, no doubt... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #40

Murder rate is trending down with 300+ million guns in play, so why exactly are you doom and gloomin AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #24

It won't happen because the number of deaths per capita is low krispos42 Jul 2015 #27

When there are enough victim's: Sadly that is when things will change lewebley3 Jul 2015 #29

Are 320 million guns and easy access to them a proximal cause of mass murders? A real head scratcher, eh? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #31

$200 a gun would net more rust than anything else n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #34

You *do* realize you're pouring cold water onto someone's dream friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #38

I'm amazed Fred hasn't thrown his back out with that stretch DonP Jul 2015 #92

Culture warriors tend to be rather tone-deaf when it comes to messaging friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #100

If Fred's ignorance about guns was water, California's drought would be over by now. n/t Shamash Jul 2015 #51

Hell yes. I love gun buybacks! Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #58

Good for you! Please support a national gun buyback program, it is clearly a vital component of control. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #62

"Please support a national gun buyback program, it is clearly a vital component of control." Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #80

It's clearly nothing of the sort. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #90

"A real head scratcher, eh?" Not for those that don't believe in animism... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #63

Gun Control has reached a point in this nation.. virginia mountainman Jul 2015 #37

"Mockery", and derivatives thereof, is indeed one word gun-lovers understand well and richly deserve to know the meaning of. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #39

If you have anything useful to add, feel free.. virginia mountainman Jul 2015 #45

Those grapes seem to be especially sour lately, don't they? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #49

Sour?? virginia mountainman Jul 2015 #104

Some of law enforcement is apparently doing the same discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #67

"Maybe 100 bullet drum mags"... because you just don't know what? That 100 bullet drums are insane?! Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #72

My 1919a4 uses a 250rd belt. oneshooter Jul 2015 #86

LOL that one when right over his head... But not me! virginia mountainman Jul 2015 #105

Seems that a lot of things fly over his head. n/t oneshooter Jul 2015 #107

The gibes of the politically ineffectual carry little or no sting... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #47

Well, you just made the OP's point. FiveGoodMen Jul 2015 #83

Yes, at this point.. virginia mountainman Jul 2015 #106

If only there were no guns sarisataka Jul 2015 #48

Ever seen a sniper use a knife? liberal N proud Jul 2015 #53

As a matter of fact sarisataka Jul 2015 #56

. liberal N proud Jul 2015 #60

Marine Corps Enlisted Job Descriptions sarisataka Jul 2015 #65

a weapon is a tool and... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #70

Please, how about a package of frozen meat? procon Jul 2015 #59

Glad to know that mass killings were unknown before guns were invented friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #66

well... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #71

That isn't a good excuse for making no attempt at gun control. nt procon Jul 2015 #75

What "attempt at gun control" did you have in mind? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #84

Who in the thread has advocated no gun control sarisataka Jul 2015 #87

The young man killed here in DC last week TeddyR Jul 2015 #95

Eventually, gun violence will touch the lives of NRA leadership. Then, we will NCjack Jul 2015 #77

It's unlikely that a 1%er will ever experience gun violence discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #82

Conflating the vile NRA leadership with Wall Street is nothing a liberal would do, even in jest. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #85

1%ers are not restricted to Wall Street discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #89

Don't confuse him, he's on a roll DonP Jul 2015 #93

"Was it over when the Vile NRA bombed Pearl Harbor?" I am *so* going to steal that... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #99

Indeed! pablo_marmol Jul 2015 #139

So what do you propose for gun control TeddyR Jul 2015 #97

Posted this about 22 hours ago TeddyR Jul 2015 #128

SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM: CAPITALISM ON STEROIDS AND GREED. YOHABLO Jul 2015 #101

That is super-vague TeddyR Jul 2015 #142