Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: Can we pease stop advocating murder in the gungeon? [View all]jimmy the one
(2,708 posts)blueridge: Uh, no, here's what he said: "Clarence Daniels would've been fully justified in defending himself" Defense may take a number of forms up to and including deadly force.
You took it out of context; in context, GGJohn wrote it this way, implying daniels would have been justified in pulling his gun & shooting, by noting that assailant, in the same sentence, 'is lucky to be alive':
(GGJohn): I thought that those {Daniels included} with CHL's were just itching to pull their gun and shoot someone. Guess Clarence Daniels didn't get the memo. This moron is lucky to be alive, Clarence Daniels would've been fully justified in defending himself.
blueR: Daniels was the victim of an unprovoked assault and was entitled to defend himself. Daniels was armed and his defense may have included the use of deadly force if, as an elderly man being tackled by a younger assailant, he could articulate a reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm.
He was inside a walmart store surrounded by dozens of people, with cameras whirring away, & being punched & detained on the floor by one or two men at some point (iirc); I doubt drawing his gun, even for self defense, ever entered daniels mind in that short time period. And daniels did the right thing by NOT trying to use his gun.
You might mean elderly people with some disability, but daniels appears to have been ambulatory & in fair to good shape.
BR: There is no evidence Zimmerman "stalked" Martin; there is substantial evidence that Martin was on top of Zimmerman pounding his head into the ground while Zimmerman was screaming for help.
I believe there was evidence zimm stalked martin, some phone call to the cops, wasn't it? (edit) and the cops told him not to pursue martin, something like that? Would that have made martin's attack a retaliation? a preemptive?
And Zimmerman's been such a fine character since his acquittal, hasn't he? so proud of his RKBA, he's demonstrated it on a few occasions.....
cbs, then: a portion of the Feb. 29 interview tape in court, in which Zimmerman says, "They told me not to follow him. I wasn't following him, I was just going in the same direction." "That's following," Serino said on the tape. O'Mara asked whether Serino had any evidence that Zimmerman continued to follow Trayvon Martin after a non-emergency dispatcher told him not to. "I would answer I have information, yes," "Just based on where we located Trayvon and the fact that the altercation happened after the confrontation. That's my interpretation. There was some following."
police played back a portion of Zimmerman's non-emergency call, prosecutor asked whether referring to someone as "---ing punks" demonstrates "ill will" or spite," elements of the second-degree murder charge the state is seeking to prove. Zimmerman used the phrases "f---ing punks" and "these (a-holes) always get away" on the call with dispatchers.