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Gun Rights for Terrorists
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/26/opinion/gun-rights-for-terrorists.html
"Protective measures include the tracking of travel patterns to and from certain countries, and tightened airport security, but our laws do nothing to stop domestic terrorist suspects from gaining access to the tools they need to inflict terrible damage. Those on the terror watch list are free to buy and own unlimited firearms in the United States.
And it is well documented that they do. The Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress, recently reported that between February 2004 and December 2014, individuals on the watch list attempted to purchase firearms or explosives on 2,233 occasions and more than 90 percent of the time, they cleared a background check and received approval to buy.
In fact, only a very small percentage of the roughly one million people on the international terror watch list are American citizens. Among the objective criteria that cause someone to be listed are active membership in an organization devoted to jihad, a record of transfers of money to a terrorist organization, and the incitement of acts of terrorism.
Gun lobby opposition has also played a part in earlier failures to address the problem. A small, extremist sliver of the gun-owning population (including the leadership of the National Rifle Association) opposes any limitations even a restriction of terror suspects right to arm themselves."
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Yep, law abiding citizens all.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12628345
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/26/opinion/gun-rights-for-terrorists.html
"Protective measures include the tracking of travel patterns to and from certain countries, and tightened airport security, but our laws do nothing to stop domestic terrorist suspects from gaining access to the tools they need to inflict terrible damage. Those on the terror watch list are free to buy and own unlimited firearms in the United States.
And it is well documented that they do. The Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress, recently reported that between February 2004 and December 2014, individuals on the watch list attempted to purchase firearms or explosives on 2,233 occasions and more than 90 percent of the time, they cleared a background check and received approval to buy.
In fact, only a very small percentage of the roughly one million people on the international terror watch list are American citizens. Among the objective criteria that cause someone to be listed are active membership in an organization devoted to jihad, a record of transfers of money to a terrorist organization, and the incitement of acts of terrorism.
Gun lobby opposition has also played a part in earlier failures to address the problem. A small, extremist sliver of the gun-owning population (including the leadership of the National Rifle Association) opposes any limitations even a restriction of terror suspects right to arm themselves."
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Yep, law abiding citizens all.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12628345
Apparently the child in the picture is a jihadist that has traveled to numerous foreign lands and poses a terrorist threat.
No discussion as to whether of not the one million people on the watch list deserve to be there; just an assumption that they are guilty and therefore should be stripped of their civil rights without due process. If it were a RWer making this argument people would be howling that this was nothing more than an effort to stir-up Islamophobia and they would be right.
Yet, here we are, being fed the guilty-Muslim-until-proven-innocent line and, moreover, we're being told that in order to combat this nefarious evil lurking in the shadows we must restrict the rights of all people -- even those who never travel to nations on the watch list.
Of course, one has to also wonder: What good would even a total prohibition do if someone is prepared to engage in an act of war on US soil? Have terrorists, of any stripe, been thwarted in their ability to gain the weapons of their choosing whether guns, bombs or carpet razors?
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The Constitution is obviously important, but it's OK to ignore it if we're dealing
petronius
Feb 2015
#1
"our default position should be to maximize protection & preservation of those rights and liberties"
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#2
Gun grabbers are running around, pointing their fingers and yelling, "TERRORISTS!" at anyone they
Nuclear Unicorn
Mar 2015
#32
Explain how one person owning a gun constitutes supporting another person threatening others.
Nuclear Unicorn
Mar 2015
#42
Heh, I suspect the answer to your question would vary depending on whether the
petronius
Feb 2015
#23
Despite your lurid fantasies, guns are not the only means by which people are killed.
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#6
"Because some folks here support Hicks 'right' to terrorize his neighbors with his gun."
Nuclear Unicorn
Mar 2015
#36
What if 90% on the list are terrorists, and half of those pose a danger to us?
Neon Gods
Feb 2015
#20
'Lists' are fine. Law enforcement is supposed to investigate crimes and potential dangers,
petronius
Feb 2015
#21
The WH is a specific, defined, limited area. The grabbers are trying to exploit the GWoT
Nuclear Unicorn
Mar 2015
#31
"Grabbers want to use a law designed for war to control their own citizens..."
Neon Gods
Mar 2015
#46
I find it fucking disgusting to read on DU that 'they're not inherently a bad idea'...
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2015
#50