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branford

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43. EM, why don't you address the points responding to your post?
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 09:53 PM
Jan 2015

You explicitly claim, "If they had only kept the door locked, nobody would have fired a shot."

What is the basis for this assertion? Are you claiming that armed home invaders never shoot anyone unless first fired upon? Any study or scholarly writing making such a allegation would be most interesting to read and discuss.

Similarly, are you proposing that the best survival strategy for the woman in the story would have been to hide in a locked bedroom, and just hope both the individual who was in the process of threatening her husband with robbery at gunpoint in her own home would not actually shoot, no less kill, her husband, and he then would definitely not come to get her? Would the locks on doors in within your home withstand a simple kick or gunfire? Mine certainly would not.

Lastly, are you willing to concede, at all, that firearms are sometimes lawfully employed to save the lives of innocent victims?

Rude toter machI Jan 2015 #1
She obviously keeps guns around... NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #2
"I'm betting the perp realized pretty quickly that he had picked on the wrong household." Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #3
Yes it is. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #4
"dove on the floor and started shooting at the suspect." Politicalboi Jan 2015 #5
"Dove on the floor and started shooting at the suspect." blueridge3210 Jan 2015 #6
"under stress a person will respond as trained." Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #8
Could be. blueridge3210 Jan 2015 #9
It worked so well she needed another gun Politicalboi Jan 2015 #11
She survived and stopped a forcible felony. blueridge3210 Jan 2015 #12
I understand Politicalboi Jan 2015 #16
You have no idea whether she was lucky or a very good shot. eom. GGJohn Jan 2015 #38
Get it straight for once discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2015 #21
Ah, sensei........ blueridge3210 Jan 2015 #23
Make "kiai." Kiai! Give you power. Now, drive punch. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2015 #37
Miyagi say "Whole life have a balance." blueridge3210 Jan 2015 #40
maybe fortune cookie discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2015 #41
statistically, cops are more likely to do that gejohnston Jan 2015 #26
My thoughts exactly. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #31
Guns run out of ammo sometimes. Straw Man Jan 2015 #60
I was thinking because of that and the fact she went to retrieve a second gun maybe she Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #7
Apparently this "gun nut" did okay. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #10
Of course I'm glad the good guy won Politicalboi Jan 2015 #13
I don't know the answers to all of your questions... NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #29
Another news source has a different take machI Jan 2015 #17
Never been in a gun fight have you? GGJohn Jan 2015 #24
NO! She moved to cover. He wass shooting at her! napi21 Jan 2015 #59
You really haven't a clue, do you? N/T Marengo Jan 2015 #67
If they had only kept the door locked, nobody would have fired a shot, but that wouldn't be news. nt Electric Monk Jan 2015 #14
Right. blueridge3210 Jan 2015 #18
I suppose you also regard her as a blueridge3210 Jan 2015 #19
Did you miss the part of the story where the suspect branford Jan 2015 #22
Nice, blame the victims. GGJohn Jan 2015 #25
No he doesn't. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #28
I think that to admit that a gun in the house was a good thing GGJohn Jan 2015 #30
No innocent bystanders were hit either. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #32
The logical fallacy in your post here is known as "biased sample". Electric Monk Jan 2015 #35
Coming from you? GGJohn Jan 2015 #36
You obvously didn't read the link, but your choosing to remain ignorant doesn't surprise me. nt Electric Monk Jan 2015 #39
EM, why don't you address the points responding to your post? branford Jan 2015 #43
Firearms are *sometimes* lawfully employed to save the lives of innocent victims, true. Electric Monk Jan 2015 #45
Is it, then, your position that if a thing brings more harm than good it should be banned? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #50
regulated Electric Monk Jan 2015 #53
we have reasonable regulation gejohnston Jan 2015 #56
The issue is the level of regulation and restriction. branford Jan 2015 #58
Ahhh, but we don't want *everything* the gun-averse want friendly_iconoclast Jan 2015 #85
Except controllers are duplicitous at best. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #61
Well, that concession is a amicable start. branford Jan 2015 #55
i'm glad she was able to defend herself and her family samsingh Jan 2015 #82
Yeah, if people will just lock their doors... NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #27
The criminal came to the door asking for a third party as part of a ruse. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #33
Exactly, no one has ever had their home forcibly broken in to. ileus Jan 2015 #44
If the perp saw cameras, an alarm system, and re-inforced doors and locks Electric Monk Jan 2015 #46
"don't you think it's more likely they'd just move along and find an easier target" Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #47
maybe they live in a rental gejohnston Jan 2015 #48
Sigh, no, that is not what I'm saying. It's not black and white.Defending yourself should be allowed Electric Monk Jan 2015 #52
I love BBT gejohnston Jan 2015 #54
Groan. How naive. 840high Jan 2015 #69
"She'd have done just as well with a sound-track of gunfire, with less danger to others" friendly_iconoclast Jan 2015 #88
Unbelievable. 840high Jan 2015 #89
In that particular situation what I said is the truth, even though you hate to admit it. nt Electric Monk Jan 2015 #90
Truth? Straw Man Jan 2015 #91
If you live in a country where guns are everywhere, like the US Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #15
Yeah. If only we could be more like Mexico. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #34
Indeed. Starboard Tack Jan 2015 #42
This is why we fight for fair access and personal civil rights. ileus Jan 2015 #20
I wonder how the intruder got his gun? BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #49
Probably the same way he buys illegal drugs. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #51
Or maybe he stole it from someone's house because it wasn't secured BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #57
And? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #62
The Myth of Defensive Gun Ownership (Politico) Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #63
Your paid hack has already been debunked as the sham he is. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #64
Scientific studies not your thing? One incident is all you got? Not even a very good one. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #65
Scientific studies are my thing. That article isn't about a scientific study Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #66
And I'm sure you accept the 40% number sarisataka Jan 2015 #68
Devastating article by Politico , isn't it? I understand your pain. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #70
Let's talk about the pain you feel at the thought of people defending themselves. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #71
Devasting? GGJohn Jan 2015 #72
Devastating sarisataka Jan 2015 #73
CDC: "Guns are used for self-defense often and effectively" hack89 Jan 2015 #74
The studies suck, that is the point of the whole article you folks are apoplectic about. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #75
Controllers have been bitching that the NRA has been blocking the CDC from studying guns. hack89 Jan 2015 #76
The NRA is your friend, no friend of any liberal I know. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #77
What does that have to do with my post? hack89 Jan 2015 #78
Republicans defunded/blocked it again, try to keep up. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #79
Yet they did do a study in 2013 - why are you ignoring it? nt hack89 Jan 2015 #80
A new take on an old saying discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2015 #84
Don't believe the myth that the government does not study gun violence, it's simply untrue. branford Jan 2015 #81
Sadly, your post is as accurate as most of your others. From 2013: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2015 #86
i glad she and her family survived the invasion samsingh Jan 2015 #83
The gun-averse have a visceral hatred towards those who employ armed self-defense: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2015 #87
2 guns = twice as rude to her house guest. rudetoterette. ileus Jan 2015 #92
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