Gun Control & RKBA

Atypical Liberal

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64. The simple fact is, Ellison is racially biased.

Reply to DragonBorn (Reply #52)

Thu Feb 9, 2012, 06:09 PM

Feb 2012

When Ellison thinks "gang member", he thinks non-white.

When he thinks "criminal", he probably thinks non-white also.

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Street robberies and you [View all] Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 OP

I always hear it's the guns fault... ileus Feb 2012 #1

This sounds exactly like something Massad Ayoob would write MicaelS Feb 2012 #2

Doesn't read like his writing style. GreenStormCloud Feb 2012 #4

Good information in the article. GreenStormCloud Feb 2012 #3

Outstanding article, burrfoot Feb 2012 #5

This Principles of Personal Defense? Common Sense Party Feb 2012 #7

Yep that's the one... burrfoot Feb 2012 #18

".......most people who kill people with firearms have extensive Simo 1939_1940 Feb 2012 #6

Yup. Despite bald-face denials, most murderers have a long rap sheet. nt SteveW Feb 2012 #8

++ cbrer Feb 2012 #9

This contains some seriously stupid advice. ellisonz Feb 2012 #10

"...this guy tells you to put yourself in dangerous situations and escalate them..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #11

I did quote. ellisonz Feb 2012 #13

No it doesn't. n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #15

Yes, because turning your back and trying to outrun them is such a good idea. krispos42 Feb 2012 #19

I would avoid the conflict in the first place. ellisonz Feb 2012 #20

you are assuming race gejohnston Feb 2012 #21

Race comes into play in any social analysis. ellisonz Feb 2012 #22

strange thing about growing up in the sticks gejohnston Feb 2012 #23

The author inserts all the racially charged imagery he can... ellisonz Feb 2012 #24

It seems you are the only one seeing this code. PavePusher Feb 2012 #27

The author is giving insight into 15 years of experience as a patrol officer. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #30

Why are you puzzled? ellisonz Feb 2012 #34

what does "G" mean? Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #35

G means gangster. ellisonz Feb 2012 #36

Who is "we"? Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #46

The rhetorical "we" ellisonz Feb 2012 #48

You really should do your own research DragonBorn Feb 2012 #55

Biker gangs are street gangs? ellisonz Feb 2012 #57

Moving the goal posts? DragonBorn Feb 2012 #65

Then why do many sociologists disagree dude? ellisonz Feb 2012 #73

If you are saying... Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #56

It does not absolutely imply... ellisonz Feb 2012 #58

Race is a social fact when talking about CRIME IN GENERAL. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #61

When we talk of murderers in NYC, are we talking about black people? Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #62

Wamp Wamp. ellisonz Feb 2012 #71

Wamp wamp? Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #86

13% maybe - doesn't disrpve my claim at all since 85% are not "Caucasian" ellisonz Feb 2012 #68

My experience in living in an inner city gejohnston Feb 2012 #67

Where the heck was this? ellisonz Feb 2012 #76

could be but gejohnston Feb 2012 #78

lol - I think he was having fun with you. ellisonz Feb 2012 #81

gang task force cop or................... gejohnston Feb 2012 #82

You're making an assumption too. ellisonz Feb 2012 #83

his explanation had more to do about night when gejohnston Feb 2012 #85

You might want to rethink your last sentance. DragonBorn Feb 2012 #52

Sociologists disagree. ellisonz Feb 2012 #60

Gangs are gangs. DragonBorn Feb 2012 #66

You're showing how little you know about gangs... ellisonz Feb 2012 #74

The simple fact is, Ellison is racially biased. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #64

I can't believe a jury let this stand. ellisonz Feb 2012 #77

Because you're the only one who brought up accusations of racism. PavePusher Feb 2012 #79

Bite me. ellisonz Feb 2012 #80

No, you continue to propagate the stereotype of "gangster" = "person of color". Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #99

And you continue to deny the stereotype exists... ellisonz Feb 2012 #101

I don't deny the stereotype exists, but it is not relevant to this conversation. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #102

How is this not possibly relevant to the conversation? ellisonz Feb 2012 #103

Obviously they recognized what I recognized. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #87

Racial minorities are 85% of gang members according to the Federal Government. ellisonz Feb 2012 #90

that was his beat gejohnston Feb 2012 #91

Do they? ellisonz Feb 2012 #92

social identity goes beyond race gejohnston Feb 2012 #93

That's actually a good point. ellisonz Feb 2012 #104

Brings back memories... Marengo Feb 2012 #124

Of course not. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #100

Thus 15% of gang members are not. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #96

Not in South Boston or Charlestown hack89 Feb 2012 #37

And generally Irish, no? n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #38

Americans of Irish descent. nt hack89 Feb 2012 #39

Are the Irish generally seen as "different" from the WASPs in today's Boston? n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #40

No hack89 Feb 2012 #41

Oh really? ellisonz Feb 2012 #42

The subject of the OP is street violence hack89 Feb 2012 #43

You just made my point... ellisonz Feb 2012 #49

So when in those areas it makes sense to sometimes carry a gun. nt hack89 Feb 2012 #53

There's ample evidence, just in the Gungeon, krispos42 Feb 2012 #94

Individuals should take precautions to avoid such situations. ellisonz Feb 2012 #95

You have been lucky. Twice my wife wasn't lucky. GreenStormCloud Feb 2012 #105

I have no issue with any of that... ellisonz Feb 2012 #108

It has to considered in the context of the situation. GreenStormCloud Feb 2012 #110

You do understand the concern... ellisonz Feb 2012 #111

He is obviously not an experienced writer. GreenStormCloud Feb 2012 #112

I understand what he means when he says fan out... ellisonz Feb 2012 #113

So why did you ask that silly question about "passing in the street"? GreenStormCloud Feb 2012 #116

Because most situations... ellisonz Feb 2012 #118

Nor does he teach "shoot first and ask questions later". GreenStormCloud Feb 2012 #119

That is what he is saying. ellisonz Feb 2012 #121

Again you change what he says. GreenStormCloud Feb 2012 #123

Race-baiting? Not really. krispos42 Feb 2012 #114

I would like to see a comparison... ellisonz Feb 2012 #122

I think I'll take the word of a seasoned street cop over yours. dizbukhapeter Feb 2012 #12

lol ellisonz Feb 2012 #14

"What this guy is saying to do is unlawful." PavePusher Feb 2012 #28

To be fair, he does imply it here Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #31

Not to mention pulling a gun... ellisonz Feb 2012 #32

My bad, I thought he was refering only to the part he quoted, above. PavePusher Feb 2012 #47

And you have how much experence to back that opinion up? oneshooter Feb 2012 #16

How much experience do you have to validate an anonymous internet posting? n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #17

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #25

The level of arrogance and self-deception Simo 1939_1940 Feb 2012 #29

I believe that it is more ignorance and self deception. oneshooter Feb 2012 #84

Haha... ellisonz Feb 2012 #33

His advice is consistent with the literature. GreenStormCloud Feb 2012 #106

Shoot as soon as you think you see a gun? ellisonz Feb 2012 #109

Here are some references: GreenStormCloud Feb 2012 #115

There are a lot of ambiguous situations. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #117

Some, but not as many as you would think. GreenStormCloud Feb 2012 #120

As he said, that is not likely to happen. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #63

It doesn't happen because it's pure fantasy. ellisonz Feb 2012 #72

I'm willing to take the author at his word. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #88

I try to read with a critical mind. ellisonz Feb 2012 #89

Me too. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #97

That "fantasy" happens almost a million times a year. N/T GreenStormCloud Feb 2012 #107

great post....thanks for sharing. lots of great info. ileus Feb 2012 #26

This is from a radical right wing/NRA website SecularMotion Feb 2012 #44

Unfortunately... ellisonz Feb 2012 #45

The genetic fallacy? Really? Four words for you, then: Michael Bloomberg and MAIG. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #50

I found it from reddit. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #51

We don't need a link to DU from AR15.com SecularMotion Feb 2012 #54

There are plenty of left-wing gun nuts here, too. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #59

Not for long SecularMotion Feb 2012 #70

why? gejohnston Feb 2012 #75

I'll take my backwater. :) Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #98

gun nut does not always equal right wing gejohnston Feb 2012 #69

Already enough? Marengo Feb 2012 #125