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84. Chances are greater far greater that you will die by the hands of a criminal with a gun rather than
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 09:05 PM
Aug 2013

an honest, sane and responsible gun owner and in reality the chances that you will be shot by a criminal are very slim.

Gun crime in the United States is approaching an all time low.

Released: May 7, 2013

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Pace of Decline Slows in Past Decade
by D’Vera Cohn, Paul Taylor, Mark Hugo Lopez, Catherine A. Gallagher, Kim Parker and Kevin T. Maass

CHAPTER 1: OVERVIEW

National rates of gun homicide and other violent gun crimes are strikingly lower now than during their peak in the mid-1990s, paralleling a general decline in violent crime, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of government data. Beneath the long-term trend, though, are big differences by decade: Violence plunged through the 1990s, but has declined less dramatically since 2000.

National rates of gun homicide and other violent gun crimes are strikingly lower now than during their peak in the mid-1990s, paralleling a general decline in violent crime, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of government data. Beneath the long-term trend, though, are big differences by decade: Violence plunged through the 1990s, but has declined less dramatically since 2000.

Nearly all the decline in the firearm homicide rate took place in the 1990s; the downward trend stopped in 2001 and resumed slowly in 2007. The victimization rate for other gun crimes plunged in the 1990s, then declined more slowly from 2000 to 2008. The rate appears to be higher in 2011 compared with 2008, but the increase is not statistically significant. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall also dropped in the 1990s before declining more slowly from 2000 to 2010, then ticked up in 2011.

Despite national attention to the issue of firearm violence, most Americans are unaware that gun crime is lower today than it was two decades ago. According to a new Pew Research Center survey, today 56% of Americans believe gun crime is higher than 20 years ago and only 12% think it is lower.
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/


Gun Violence

How Prevalent is Gun Violence in America?
According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, 467,321 persons were victims of a crime committed with a firearm in 2011.[1] In the same year, data collected by the FBI show that firearms were used in 68 percent of murders, 41 percent of robbery offenses and 21 percent of aggravated assaults nationwide.[2]

Most homicides in the United States are committed with firearms, especially handguns.[3]
Homicides committed with firearms peaked in 1993 at 17,075, after which the figure steadily fell, reaching a low of 10,117 in 1999. Gun-related homicides increased slightly after that, to a high of 11,547 in 2006, before falling again to 10,869 in 2008.[4]

***snip***

Nonfatal Firearm-Related Crime
Nonfatal firearm-related crime has fallen significantly in recent years, from almost 1.3 million incidents in 1994 to a low of 331,618 incidents in 2008. Since then it has risen; in 2011 there were 414,562 incidents.[6]

As a percentage of all violent incidents (i.e., rape, sexual assault, robbery and aggravated assault), between 1993 and 2011, nonfatal gun crime has ranged from a high of 8 percent to a low of 5 percent. In 2011, firearm crimes comprised 8 percent of all violent crimes.[7]
http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-violence/


The main stream media does not often mention these statistics perhaps because it doesn't fit its agenda of promoting strong gun control.

Surprisingly Florida which as been widely criticized recently for lax gun control laws is experiencing an all time low in gun violence.

Florida firearm violence hits record low; concealed gun permits up
Debate continues over relationship between guns and crime


By JACOB CARPENTER
Posted January 6, 2013 at 5:15 a.m.


In the so-called Gunshine State, home to the most gun permits in the country, firearm violence has fallen to the lowest point on record.

As state and national legislators consider gun control laws in the wake of last month's Connecticut school shooting, Florida finds itself in a gun violence depression. The Firearm-involved violent crime rate has dropped 33 percent between 2007 and 2011, while the number of issued concealed weapons permits rose nearly 90 percent during that time, state records show.
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2013/jan/06/fla-firearm-violence-hits-record-low/


Now obviously I am a strong gun rights supporter. That may be because I could owe my existence to the fact that my mom had a tiny LadySmith revolver in her purse when she was attacked by a man who rushed her after hiding behind some bushes while she was walking home from work in the 1920s in Pennsylvania. She fired two shots over his head and he ran. The revolver held .22 short rounds which would have had little effect even if she had hit him in center body mass.

Still that doesn't mean that I do not support improved gun control laws in our nation. I simply realize that a firearm in the right hands can stop a tragedy just as a firearm in the wrong hands can cause one.

Therefore I support universal background checks and law enforcement efforts to punish criminals who carry and misuse firearms to attack citizens. Anyone who illegally carries a firearm or who straw purchases or smuggles one into the inner cities of our nation deserves to spend a long time in prison. Anyone who buys a firearm or ammunition should have a strong background check and proof that he/she has had firearms safety training.

I also support the legalization of some drugs as we lost our War on Drugs decades ago and many of the shootings in cities in Chicago are a result of drug gangs fighting over turf.

Still I can understand why some people have a hatred of firearms and gun owners. I doubt if anything I can say will alter your viewpoint and while I will consider your arguments, I doubt if they will cause me to change my views.

If it is ever possible that both sides of the gun control debate can ever sit down and honestly address the problem of gun violence in our nation, I am sure that we can make some serious headway. Unfortunately this is unlikely to happen as the gun rights groups insist that the solution is to arm most people and the gun control groups favor banning certain guns or all firearms. Compromise and progress is largely impossible at this time.



That is interesting. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #1
It's private property Warpy Aug 2013 #53
"Considerably"? How? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #56
No, It's a Government Owned Property! JimDandy Aug 2013 #105
This will be a very expensive new rule for Oakwood Apartments DonP Aug 2013 #2
Why not? mercuryblues Aug 2013 #3
2nd Amendment Jenoch Aug 2013 #6
9th Amendment mercuryblues Aug 2013 #14
I don't have all the answers. Jenoch Aug 2013 #16
A renter who wants guns mercuryblues Aug 2013 #17
false equivelance gejohnston Aug 2013 #19
No they are not false mercuryblues Aug 2013 #20
I didn't say your claim was false, gejohnston Aug 2013 #23
Not buying it mercuryblues Aug 2013 #25
still a logical fallacy gejohnston Aug 2013 #39
But you can have a "Seniors Only" community and ban children... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #59
I don't believe those should be allowed either gejohnston Aug 2013 #78
Except it is mercuryblues Aug 2013 #114
Yeah, I'll remember that gejohnston Aug 2013 #118
"A renter who wants guns can rent somewhere the landlord allows it." Jenoch Aug 2013 #21
Why is mercuryblues Aug 2013 #22
In general, it's a VERY worthwhile question. calimary Aug 2013 #27
That's it mercuryblues Aug 2013 #30
rhe peraon is still allowed to purchase and use Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #52
A woman already pays for her insurance mercuryblues Aug 2013 #115
I am talking if the employer pays gejohnston Aug 2013 #117
I found some material on this subject... Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #35
Get to the specifics... Jenoch Aug 2013 #46
the decision is mercuryblues Aug 2013 #116
re: "So why can employer deny a legal prescription to an employee based on his beliefs." discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #121
Some mercuryblues Aug 2013 #122
As I explained in #121... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #124
Insurance companies mercuryblues Aug 2013 #130
re: "Insurance companies provide BC pills at no extra cost." discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #147
you are the one saying she should mercuryblues Aug 2013 #148
Here is basics discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #150
Because it hasn't fully tested in a court of law. MicaelS Aug 2013 #125
Then I would kick them out Politicalboi Aug 2013 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author tumtum Aug 2013 #33
Is anyone with a gun Jenoch Aug 2013 #47
Chances are greater far greater that you will die by the hands of a criminal with a gun rather than spin Aug 2013 #84
It sure sounds like you're the one that's paranoid of gun owners. tumtum Aug 2013 #127
That's not the 2nd Amendment at Work then. dballance Aug 2013 #69
For enforcement purposes, Jenoch Aug 2013 #70
There is the federal fair housing act and many states have Renters' Rights laws. dballance Aug 2013 #72
It is not legal for Jenoch Aug 2013 #73
You better read your state and local laws and any rental agreement you enter into. dballance Aug 2013 #76
no they don't gejohnston Aug 2013 #80
I think you fail to see I agree with you. dballance Aug 2013 #86
My bad gejohnston Aug 2013 #87
I know the 4th Jenoch Aug 2013 #88
What on earth makes you think the landlord can't call the police? dballance Aug 2013 #137
What illegal activity? Jenoch Aug 2013 #144
What about in college dorms? indie9197 Aug 2013 #103
I do know that college dorms are not covered by the Jenoch Aug 2013 #107
The constitution protects you from GOVERNMENT - NOT PRIVATE entities. dballance Aug 2013 #68
None of those places are a persons' dwelling- and that makes a huge difference. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #100
Well, hold on there... JimDandy Aug 2013 #109
You're right on the 13th Amendment dballance Aug 2013 #138
Policy has already been rescinded. tumtum Aug 2013 #139
There is some precedence for the overturning of public housing gun bans. tumtum Aug 2013 #140
Thanks for the info. /nt dballance Aug 2013 #143
Businesses can do it. bunnies Aug 2013 #4
perhaps because for the same reason a store owner gejohnston Aug 2013 #5
I rent. bunnies Aug 2013 #7
Legally, it *is* your home, and there's lots of case law to back that up. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #10
Of course I wouldnt accept that. bunnies Aug 2013 #12
His only worry is how to spend his share of the settlement from the management company. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #15
And just imagine the lawsuit the complex would face... bunnies Aug 2013 #18
Not equivalent...your gun can cause actual physical damage to property VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #61
which are limited to things that affect the property gejohnston Aug 2013 #11
lol. Good points. bunnies Aug 2013 #13
He doesn't have the right to search for drugs either....but if he finds out you have them.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #63
For sure. bunnies Aug 2013 #71
but guns never cause holes in floors, walls, ceilings, furnishings, tenants...... lastlib Aug 2013 #24
guns don't do that on their own gejohnston Aug 2013 #38
damage done is damage done..... lastlib Aug 2013 #40
so does a large knife gejohnston Aug 2013 #41
I could think of a few landlords who are... lastlib Aug 2013 #49
Rare? Do you read the news? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #64
statistically rare gejohnston Aug 2013 #81
You lost it at "gun-humpin" rl6214 Aug 2013 #44
would you have preferred "barrel-fellatin'"? lastlib Aug 2013 #50
Still just as juvenile rl6214 Aug 2013 #151
and uns NEVER cause physical damage to property right? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #62
By an employer mercuryblues Aug 2013 #28
rooms to let, 50 cents jimmy the one Aug 2013 #8
Can I get some vinaigrette and extra croutons to go with that salad? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #9
GREAT! Politicalboi Aug 2013 #26
Because obviously gun owners need to be controlled. Bazinga Aug 2013 #113
In other news, water is wet. beevul Aug 2013 #149
My mother has this rule in her building. bravenak Aug 2013 #31
So what? It's private ownership. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #32
The latest info I accessed indicated that these units are condos. discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #34
Some additional material and a very good discussion... Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #36
I don't see how they'd enforce something like that. (nt) Inkfreak Aug 2013 #37
Same way a landlord would enforce a no pets thucythucy Aug 2013 #42
"And before you get all second amendment on me" lol Inkfreak Aug 2013 #51
"But I bet some lawyers..." thucythucy Aug 2013 #77
What happened to gejohnston Aug 2013 #43
It doesn't fit the anti gun agenda rl6214 Aug 2013 #45
While clearly aimed at sarisataka Aug 2013 #48
IMO gun owners are the ultimate "undesirable" neighbor tridim Aug 2013 #55
So are you ok sarisataka Aug 2013 #57
GOOD! If they own the property....they HAVE the right to prohibit them. VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #54
By putting in place such prohibitions... sarisataka Aug 2013 #58
they are facing property damage...and THAT's why. VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #60
I am not only speaking of guns... sarisataka Aug 2013 #65
and your point is? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #66
I think it is clear sarisataka Aug 2013 #75
Not if you want to own a dog for self defense it is not different. VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #146
Pepper spray is non-lethal, guns are not. nt tridim Aug 2013 #67
Pepper spray is defined as a weapon sarisataka Aug 2013 #74
there are no non-lethal weapons gejohnston Aug 2013 #82
kind of hard to enforce Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #102
First off, this is great step forward. MrModerate Aug 2013 #79
the apartment building is not owned by people gejohnston Aug 2013 #83
I proposed no theory. MrModerate Aug 2013 #91
I disagree gejohnston Aug 2013 #93
I would guess it has to do with liability... JimDandy Aug 2013 #96
no it doesn't. gejohnston Aug 2013 #97
Are you sure Jenoch Aug 2013 #98
Absolutely. JimDandy Aug 2013 #104
I have Jenoch Aug 2013 #108
So some elderly person or the average woman has little or no chance ... spin Aug 2013 #85
It provides an alternative for those who believe that living surrounded by guns . . . MrModerate Aug 2013 #92
That's a fair point. I would never live there. (n/t) spin Aug 2013 #101
Policy banning firearms is thrown out MicaelS Aug 2013 #89
If I'm reading this correctly, tumtum Aug 2013 #119
Seems that way. MicaelS Aug 2013 #123
I'm speculating that there are some asses with bite marks on them tumtum Aug 2013 #126
Well maybe not. MicaelS Aug 2013 #128
It's already happening ceonupe Aug 2013 #133
Good. tumtum Aug 2013 #135
Bad news that this good news did not last locks Aug 2013 #90
You realize it was a decision from gejohnston Aug 2013 #94
No, the company is based in Colorado. JimDandy Aug 2013 #106
the management company gejohnston Aug 2013 #120
Just to be clear... sarisataka Aug 2013 #95
-3 for not using the terms "gun safety", "reasonable" and "common sense". friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #99
Uh...what? beevul Aug 2013 #110
Isn't it great to be made a unwilling victim...how noble of them. ileus Aug 2013 #111
'anti-gun' california has more guns than all? jimmy the one Aug 2013 #112
No bullshit, elleng Aug 2013 #129
Utter, total and complete bullshit. MicaelS Aug 2013 #131
It's already been rescinded. tumtum Aug 2013 #134
The landlord cannot change the terms of the lease unilaterally. Deep13 Aug 2013 #132
It wasn't even the landlord that did this, tumtum Aug 2013 #136
In case anyone is still interested, I found the Minnesota law that allows renters to have guns Jenoch Aug 2013 #141
Thanks for that link. tumtum Aug 2013 #142
They changed their minds. hack89 Aug 2013 #145
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