Gun Control & RKBA

BainsBane

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47. The "principle of democracy"

Wed Jul 3, 2013, 02:31 AM

Jul 2013

Last edited Wed Jul 3, 2013, 04:27 AM - Edit history (2)

Riiight. If it were a gun control bill you'd be lobbying for a veto. Let's give up the pretense about carrying about legislative process.

Don't worry. There will be always be more guns and more people being shot. There is no danger of America becoming a civilized nation. Your rights to have any and every gun are secure, the rest of our rights to live, not so much.

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Illinois: Quinn expected to use amendatory veto powers on concealed carry bill [View all] premium Jul 2013 OP

How... anti-democratic. appal_jack Jul 2013 #1

Especially going against Mike Madigan, premium Jul 2013 #2

And whose daughter is after the Gov's job ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #20

He's put himself into a lose-lose situation premium Jul 2013 #22

He's not supposed to be very bright ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #24

The old saying applies, premium Jul 2013 #25

Rep. Phelps just filed to override the veto ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #26

I like both options. premium Jul 2013 #27

So far, 6 or 7 state senators have called for an override of the veto ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #28

As I understand it, the Legislature could also approve the amendments with petronius Jul 2013 #31

It was one or the other option ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #36

You are correct DonP Jul 2013 #37

I know BainsBane Jul 2013 #3

I know, premium Jul 2013 #7

So are you saying it's illegal? BainsBane Jul 2013 #45

It's perfectly legal- you just don't like it. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2013 #54

Try to follow the plot BainsBane Jul 2013 #55

Ah, I stand corrected. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2013 #56

Yes, I do know what the law does BainsBane Jul 2013 #57

You're amazing, premium Jul 2013 #64

"If they are following the proper procedure, what's the problem" BainsBane Jul 2013 #68

That's a pretty crappy thing to say about a lot of elected Democrats DonP Jul 2013 #8

This one doesn't need facts, premium Jul 2013 #9

Tell me the secret of how that poster does it, and Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #39

I'm a Democrat who argues Democratic policy positions BainsBane Jul 2013 #48

whereas you have petty gossip BainsBane Jul 2013 #46

What fucking country do you live in? BainsBane Jul 2013 #50

"What fucking country do you live in?" Jenoch Jul 2013 #61

How do you figure that? BainsBane Jul 2013 #71

Asking somebody that question is insulting. Jenoch Jul 2013 #73

I have insulted policy and positions BainsBane Jul 2013 #75

I didn't even read the post to which you replied. Jenoch Jul 2013 #79

The jury clearly disagreed with you. BainsBane Jul 2013 #82

That is not surprising in the least. Jenoch Jul 2013 #85

Actually I'm trying to put together the money to get the bullet holes out of my car BainsBane Jul 2013 #51

couple of drug dealers having a business dispute? gejohnston Jul 2013 #60

Probably I pissed off a couple of gun nuts with CCW BainsBane Jul 2013 #70

I seriously doubt that. gejohnston Jul 2013 #72

How do you know they were drug dealers? BainsBane Jul 2013 #74

How do you know they were CCW holders? Jenoch Jul 2013 #76

I don't BainsBane Jul 2013 #77

If you have Jenoch Jul 2013 #81

Oh, I'm just going based on what you've written before BainsBane Jul 2013 #83

That was one thread and I admitted Jenoch Jul 2013 #88

I'll pass, thanks anyway. BainsBane Jul 2013 #90

no, just playing the law of probabliity. gejohnston Jul 2013 #78

This was a .45 BainsBane Jul 2013 #80

Why did it fail? Jenoch Jul 2013 #62

As you know there are a lot of hunters BainsBane Jul 2013 #69

I do not remember specifically what was in the bill that caused it to fail. Jenoch Jul 2013 #146

Actually, he's a 'unitary executive' going against a Democratic legislature. n/t appal_jack Jul 2013 #44

The "principle of democracy" BainsBane Jul 2013 #47

if the gun mob is so proud of their packing let them wear em where ppl can see 'em nt msongs Jul 2013 #4

Because we don't want the faint of heart to get all scared, it is to protect you from what you oneshooter Jul 2013 #10

So you're for open carry?? CokeMachine Jul 2013 #21

Okay, I'll try this. (ahem). Which would you prefer? Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #41

As I understand from my googling, the amendatory veto can be over-ridden petronius Jul 2013 #5

3/5 to over ride, a simple majority to agree with AV DonP Jul 2013 #11

It's my opinion that Gov. Quinn is in for a political ass kicking, premium Jul 2013 #12

This is all about politics and the Democrat Primary for Governor next year DonP Jul 2013 #13

wonder what his reason for keeping people defenseless is? ileus Jul 2013 #6

the will of the people wanted GC legislation jimmy the one Jul 2013 #14

You just can't bring yourself to admit that premium Jul 2013 #16

Choose one story or the other DonP Jul 2013 #17

red herring pie jimmy the one Jul 2013 #18

Your garbled, misdirected posts are just not worth bothering with. DonP Jul 2013 #19

"inform you" BainsBane Jul 2013 #53

Got a link to your claim of 60-66% premium Jul 2013 #23

So rather than sign/amend a sensible piece of legislation mandated by the courts...the Gov puts on truebrit71 Jul 2013 #15

glorified 'push' poll jimmy the one Jul 2013 #29

You are so predictable, premium Jul 2013 #30

ROFL!!!! "Sounds like you haz a sad"... truebrit71 Jul 2013 #34

Thank you, thank you, premium Jul 2013 #35

Actually polling data shows the downstate folks BainsBane Jul 2013 #49

Holy shit clffrdjk Jul 2013 #63

So sorry to display emotion BainsBane Jul 2013 #86

Wrong clffrdjk Jul 2013 #95

The emotional trope is a common one BainsBane Jul 2013 #98

So you know for a fact clffrdjk Jul 2013 #101

More guns mean more gun violence BainsBane Jul 2013 #103

gun death is different than gun violence gejohnston Jul 2013 #105

I refuse to discount suicides BainsBane Jul 2013 #109

For me, I glad the guy missed his target CokeMachine Jul 2013 #112

Thank you, Coke Machine BainsBane Jul 2013 #113

Your Welcome!! CokeMachine Jul 2013 #115

That chart has nothing to do with CCW holders premium Jul 2013 #108

Suicides count BainsBane Jul 2013 #110

They count for the people that it affects premium Jul 2013 #116

Those deaths are part of gun fatalities BainsBane Jul 2013 #118

But they're not criminal use of a firearm premium Jul 2013 #119

It doesn't have to be criminal to be deadly BainsBane Jul 2013 #125

Systematically trying to discount human life BainsBane Jul 2013 #111

Human lives are all significant -- CokeMachine Jul 2013 #114

How do you propose to do that? BainsBane Jul 2013 #121

And I am sick and tired of your falsehoods about what we do or don't discount, premium Jul 2013 #117

You just said they don't count in the total of gunshot victims BainsBane Jul 2013 #120

Wrong, why are you lying about what I said? premium Jul 2013 #122

I just pulled my hamstring trying CokeMachine Jul 2013 #123

I have tried, and tried, and tried to be civil with her premium Jul 2013 #124

If that's what you call civil BainsBane Jul 2013 #129

Tell me what I misunderstood then BainsBane Jul 2013 #130

You said suicides should not be counted in the total because they are not criminal BainsBane Jul 2013 #126

No,the VPC is counting CHL holders suicides as a criminal act, premium Jul 2013 #127

If you want me to understand, please spell out your acronyms. BainsBane Jul 2013 #128

Sorry, I thought you knew what VPC was. premium Jul 2013 #133

I knew that one. It's the rest I don't understand BainsBane Jul 2013 #134

Whoops, damned fat fingers, old age sucks. premium Jul 2013 #136

So back to your original point BainsBane Jul 2013 #137

Jeeez, can't you get it right? premium Jul 2013 #139

Mother Jones cites their sources BainsBane Jul 2013 #138

The VPC isn't the source for the data BainsBane Jul 2013 #135

Clearly I have no credibility with you BainsBane Jul 2013 #132

Well, let's look at this for a second, premium Jul 2013 #66

Who is working to make sure they have access to guns? BainsBane Jul 2013 #89

Oh, that's right, I forgot, premium Jul 2013 #91

I'm all for legalization or decriminalization BainsBane Jul 2013 #93

Effective? No, premium Jul 2013 #94

What are LEA's? BainsBane Jul 2013 #96

My apologies, premium Jul 2013 #97

The private industrial prison complex is the real winner BainsBane Jul 2013 #99

We have one of those CCA private prisons premium Jul 2013 #100

I agree, only then could we undertake a fair BainsBane Jul 2013 #102

Have you considered getting people in Chicago to stop killing kids in general? Might help. n/t Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #67

Yeah, the Mayor and Police are working on that BainsBane Jul 2013 #87

Well, it ain't because of a gun ban, premium Jul 2013 #92

and you know that how? BainsBane Jul 2013 #104

because the drop started years after the ban was overturned. gejohnston Jul 2013 #106

Because Chicago's gun ban was overturned premium Jul 2013 #107

So when you guys cite Chicago as evidence of the ills of gun bans BainsBane Jul 2013 #131

Wow! premium Jul 2013 #140

It was a question, not an accusation. BainsBane Jul 2013 #141

Ok, that's a fair question, premium Jul 2013 #142

You still haven't answered the question BainsBane Jul 2013 #143

Oh, come on, premium Jul 2013 #144

They cite their sources BainsBane Jul 2013 #145

Another Yawn!! CokeMachine Jul 2013 #32

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #33

Except at this point, none of that matters ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #38

I liked what he said about the NRA today lunasun Jul 2013 #40

Gov. Quinn? premium Jul 2013 #42

Like anyone cares what the NRA says. CokeMachine Jul 2013 #43

Sure, you don't care what they say BainsBane Jul 2013 #52

Oh, it's you again CokeMachine Jul 2013 #65

LOL BainsBane Jul 2013 #84

Icon - error, error, error jimmy the one Jul 2013 #58

haz mats jimmy the one Jul 2013 #59