Gun Control & RKBA

GreenStormCloud

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11. The armed guard wasn't there.

Tue Mar 26, 2013, 09:23 PM

Mar 2013

As already noted, but ignored by anti-gun folks, is that the purpose of the armed teachers is NOT to stop a rampage shooting from starting. That is next to impossible. The purpose of the armed teachers is to be able to stop it quickly once it does start.

Your plan of nobody armed enables the rampager to start shooting and keep on shooting until he gets tired of it and kills himself.

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More guns make the world safer (illustrated in a photo) [View all] rdharma Mar 2013 OP

You don't understand the purpose of arming teachers. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #1

Re: Teachers rdharma Mar 2013 #2

I they are armed, they can shoot the rampager. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #3

And if they get shot first? MotherPetrie Mar 2013 #10

How does the rampager know which ones to shoot? GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #13

theyll get shot anyway n/t av8r1998 Mar 2013 #15

They should send a few unguided missiles flying that might hit the wrong target/s? rdharma Mar 2013 #42

Apparently CokeMachine Mar 2013 #68

How long did it take to subdue Hinkley? holdencaufield Mar 2013 #4

Except no shots were fired at Hinckley. thucythucy Mar 2013 #6

"highly trained security professionals" holdencaufield Mar 2013 #7

How well did that work at Columbine? thucythucy Mar 2013 #9

The armed guard wasn't there. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #11

Hmm...I wonder if keeping the Rampager from having a gun would jmg257 Mar 2013 #24

How do you propose to do that? GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #29

I don't. But lesser laws will make it harder for him to have access from the usual jmg257 Mar 2013 #30

With months to plan, he will get whatever he wants. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #31

Nope not at all. Just one who believes jmg257 Mar 2013 #33

how will it make it hard for illegal gun owners to get them? gejohnston Mar 2013 #34

If numbers are true, and 40% of illegally used guns were stolen from jmg257 Mar 2013 #35

I doubt the numbers are true gejohnston Mar 2013 #37

Thanks...16% stolen...any info on the rest? nt jmg257 Mar 2013 #45

that was the claim that are private sales gejohnston Mar 2013 #46

How do you reconcile that with the nationwide official policy... beevul Mar 2013 #55

I don't. The point would be to handle 'when someone bad jmg257 Mar 2013 #84

Hardly the best possible solution? Its THE default solution. beevul Mar 2013 #95

Of course its the default solution, cause selfish attitudes of SO many gun jmg257 Mar 2013 #96

Arrogance, ignorance, and narcissism, all packed into one reply. beevul Mar 2013 #97

I know I know gun owners are SO deprived. But quite obviously not nearly enough. jmg257 Mar 2013 #98

The only one that is saying "deprived" is you. beevul Mar 2013 #99

'Deprived' is fine...cause of all gun owners have given and will give up. jmg257 Mar 2013 #100

LOL. beevul Mar 2013 #102

Whether they are 'my business' is really unimportant. jmg257 Mar 2013 #104

And finally, we get to where the rubber meets the road. beevul Mar 2013 #105

Agree with much you have said here...I would have no interest in controlling arms jmg257 Mar 2013 #116

His gun was empty. Straw Man Mar 2013 #66

What's the matter? holdencaufield Mar 2013 #5

he's deluding himself with happy fantasies.... lastlib Mar 2013 #39

More than that, an armed presence is a deterent against going on the rampage in the first place. bubbayugga Mar 2013 #80

I wonder if teachers could have handled it better....... rdharma Mar 2013 #8

You can't have several SS agents are every school. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #12

Active shooter! rdharma Mar 2013 #14

Sometimes unarmed people get lucky. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #18

More likely that they'll just cause more confusion and collateral damage. nt rdharma Mar 2013 #19

Who do you mean by "they"? GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #21

You're getting silly, GSC! nt rdharma Mar 2013 #22

You used a pronoun without an antecedent. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #25

we are not talking about NYPD with 12 pound triggers gejohnston Mar 2013 #23

No...... we're talking about scared teachers with very limited training. rdharma Mar 2013 #36

I noticed that none of the "chat shows" had experts on the subject knocking the idea, gejohnston Mar 2013 #38

I know a teacher ... Straw Man Mar 2013 #67

So allowing a rampager to continue shooting, unopposed is better? GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #82

Isn't 'ol Lippshitz the one who left her gatt on the back of the shitter? nt jmg257 Mar 2013 #26

depends on who trains the teachers gejohnston Mar 2013 #16

Hopefully without all those NDs! nt jmg257 Mar 2013 #27

just don't have DEA train them gejohnston Mar 2013 #32

We don't pay them enough to be TEACHERS! lastlib Mar 2013 #41

not training them to be cops either gejohnston Mar 2013 #43

until one of the kids is accidentally shot by a teacher or support staff. Its just a matter of time putitinD Mar 2013 #58

there is a greater chance of gejohnston Mar 2013 #60

Nope, your dead wrong, accidents happen all the time, guns go off unintentally, I work in a school putitinD Mar 2013 #63

I never said teachers gejohnston Mar 2013 #70

how about breaking up a scuffle in the hallways, this happens EVERYDAY in my school, putitinD Mar 2013 #72

That's why av8r1998 Mar 2013 #81

So your solution is to do nothing. N/T GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #83

no, my solution is to stop the killers from getting the damn guns to begin with. lastlib Mar 2013 #85

Try living in the real world. You aren't going to get your fantasy. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #86

It may be fantasy due to the NRA's money, but it's..... lastlib Mar 2013 #115

Sounds like you'd be right at home sylvi Mar 2013 #90

You mean like Britain, France, Australia etc? lastlib Mar 2013 #91

Their gun ownership rate is higher than you think gejohnston Mar 2013 #92

They hang people in the town square sylvi Mar 2013 #94

So all guns? nt hack89 Mar 2013 #93

"Thereafter, if you have one, you hang in the town square. Simple as that." Ghost in the Machine Mar 2013 #117

I don't know about making the world safer, but they do even up the odds ileus Mar 2013 #17

Security blankets..... rdharma Mar 2013 #20

I want my binkie! Its in the constitution, don't ya know? Nt jmg257 Mar 2013 #28

In an outdoor, crowded urban environment like that sylvi Mar 2013 #40

Hinkley had a damn 6 shot .22 revolver! nt rdharma Mar 2013 #44

No shit, Sherlock sylvi Mar 2013 #47

Effectiveness? rdharma Mar 2013 #48

A helluva lot more than just leaving them defenseless sylvi Mar 2013 #49

Gee? What could possibly go wrong with that scenario? rdharma Mar 2013 #50

You mean, worse han an unchallenged and unfettered mass shooter sylvi Mar 2013 #51

An unfettered mass shooter.... with the SRO's gun?!!! nt rdharma Mar 2013 #52

what happened to the "trained professional police officer" meme? gejohnston Mar 2013 #54

Trained Professional? rdharma Mar 2013 #56

so you support augmentees and or back up? gejohnston Mar 2013 #62

Ever hear of the "Liberator" pistol? rdharma Mar 2013 #65

Yes, and you get to "close range" by stealth. Straw Man Mar 2013 #71

It would probably be a student in the hallway. nt rdharma Mar 2013 #75

So we shouldn't have cops in schools ... Straw Man Mar 2013 #78

Please promiseme you'll never run for school board member...anywhere sylvi Mar 2013 #57

since SROs have been around for a long time gejohnston Mar 2013 #53

"probability of anything going wrong is almost nonexistent" rdharma Mar 2013 #59

he wasn't there gejohnston Mar 2013 #61

So, it doesn't count! rdharma Mar 2013 #64

Barbara Boxer has a plan... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #69

National Guard in Schools? rdharma Mar 2013 #73

Yes, puhlease! Straw Man Mar 2013 #74

"piece of cake, do it every day" rdharma Mar 2013 #76

Perhaps you missed ... Straw Man Mar 2013 #77

"And if the SRO is in the bathroom?" sylvi Mar 2013 #79

Are you saying Presidential security is not necessary? Remmah2 Mar 2013 #87

Are you throwing out another "strawman"? rdharma Mar 2013 #88

Do you mean that Obama's Secret Service detail shouldn't have guns? Carnage251 Mar 2013 #101

obviously guns don't deter shit so the police & the secret service might as well give theirs up too bubbayugga Mar 2013 #89

Are you arguing that the SS should not be armed? aikoaiko Mar 2013 #103

When in doubt..... whip out the strawman! rdharma Mar 2013 #106

It was a snarky question and not a strawman. aikoaiko Mar 2013 #111

Imagine if Hinckley had a 100 bullet magazine on his AR15? Paul Alan Mar 2013 #107

he would not have gotten close enough gejohnston Mar 2013 #109

Sociopaths seem to study the element of "surprise" Paul Alan Mar 2013 #110

actually they were gejohnston Mar 2013 #112

So your argument is that the President would be safer if the Secret Service were not armed? kudzu22 Mar 2013 #108

Seems like strawmen are very popular with you guys! rdharma Mar 2013 #113

My apologies if you meant that guns would make schools safer kudzu22 Mar 2013 #114