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In reply to the discussion: What Researchers Learned About Gun Violence Before Congress Killed Funding [View all]nonoyes
(261 posts)7. Actually, there is a rebuttal the "debunking" done by NRA
Criticisms of the study
Pro-gun advocates have raised a number of objections to this survey. The following are actual arguments taken from the Internet and the NRA: (5)
1. "99.8 percent of the protective uses of guns do not involve homicides," says Paul Blackman of the NRA. Defensive gun uses include waving the weapon, firing warning shots, wounding the intruder, etc.
It is simply untrue that researchers cannot measure the nonfatal protective benefits of firearms, or that Kellermann's survey failed to detect such a benefit. If firearms deter, scare away or wound intruders, then the murder victimization rate of gun owners should be lower than non-gun owners. The absence of a gun in the home would have been recognized as a murder risk, rather than the presence of a gun.
Pro-gun advocates have raised a number of objections to this survey. The following are actual arguments taken from the Internet and the NRA: (5)
1. "99.8 percent of the protective uses of guns do not involve homicides," says Paul Blackman of the NRA. Defensive gun uses include waving the weapon, firing warning shots, wounding the intruder, etc.
It is simply untrue that researchers cannot measure the nonfatal protective benefits of firearms, or that Kellermann's survey failed to detect such a benefit. If firearms deter, scare away or wound intruders, then the murder victimization rate of gun owners should be lower than non-gun owners. The absence of a gun in the home would have been recognized as a murder risk, rather than the presence of a gun.
Conclusion
The Kellermann study is valid, if incomplete -- as any study must necessarily be. More research needs to be done on other possible variables contributing to the murder rate, although Kellermann has apparently identified the most important ones. The results could be refined by determining the severity of some factors, like criminal background. And it would be good to reconfirm the honesty of the respondents' answers. But the study itself is sound, and gun-control advocates can use it with confidence.
The Kellermann study is valid, if incomplete -- as any study must necessarily be. More research needs to be done on other possible variables contributing to the murder rate, although Kellermann has apparently identified the most important ones. The results could be refined by determining the severity of some factors, like criminal background. And it would be good to reconfirm the honesty of the respondents' answers. But the study itself is sound, and gun-control advocates can use it with confidence.
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-kellermann.htm
This rather lengthy analysis, available on-line at the above site, reviews each and every objection made by the NRA folks, and also deals with their failure to understand the logic of the factual material presented and the NRA's inability to understand multivariate analysis used in modern epidemiology.
Lastly: since we have an "epidemc" of drunk driving and fatal accidents, we actually do epidemiological studies of such with federal dollars, intended to advocate or promote responsible drinking and driving seemingly with no objection from the liguor and bar and restaurant industy. Why is it only that research into the epidemiology of gun fatalities is prohibited by Congress, even up until today?
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What Researchers Learned About Gun Violence Before Congress Killed Funding [View all]
applegrove
Feb 2013
OP
Which explains why the NRA made super sure no more studies were funded.
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2013
#3
I suspect the line between science and pseudoscience becomes blurry at times.
Lordquinton
Mar 2013
#72
If you are such a terrible parent that you would give a gun to a 12 year old...
Bjorn Against
Feb 2013
#12
It is not about "cultural diversity" it is about deadly weapons in the hands of children
Bjorn Against
Feb 2013
#23
Adam Lanza's mother used to like to bring him to the shooting range with her
Bjorn Against
Feb 2013
#32
You can think this is about gay comic books all you want but you just look ridiculous
Bjorn Against
Feb 2013
#52
Read the OP and you may understand that there are very few studies on guns
Bjorn Against
Feb 2013
#58
I would fear your term "grounding of the century" might prove to be too accurate
Bjorn Against
Feb 2013
#24
"Dumpster guns" seems to have become a new theme with our pro-gun friends here on DU.
Squinch
Feb 2013
#28
So, the controllers now make personal attacks on DU members' parenting skills?
Eleanors38
Feb 2013
#29
Not blindly, I only have criticized those who have admitted to giving kids guns
Bjorn Against
Feb 2013
#47
You can always find fuck ups. The vast number of folks are NOT irresponsible...
Eleanors38
Feb 2013
#46
So you might want to let the NRA in on your proposals, because they are out-voicing you.
Squinch
Mar 2013
#75
So we'll put you in the column of responsible gun owners who refuse to take responsibility for the
Squinch
Mar 2013
#74
Yes, yes. Everyone is being mean to you and trampling on your rights. Everyone who
Squinch
Mar 2013
#81