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In reply to the discussion: Here is the problem [View all]benEzra
(12,148 posts)54. Apologies for the jargon...
2. The 1994 law that cost the trifecta didn't even ban any guns, didn't affect the capacity of available rifle magazines (because it allowed unlimited importation of surplus STANAG and Warsaw Pact mags)
Huh? run that underlined stuff by me again pls, slower.
Huh? run that underlined stuff by me again pls, slower.
Sorry for the jargon. STANAG magazines = magazines that comply with NATO STANAG 4179, a set of standard dimensions for the interface between a magazine and the receiver of a firearm. A standard magwell allows all kinds of different small arms to use the same magazines. Warsaw Pact (q.v.) magazine dimensions in various calibers were similarly standardized, and likewise fit a whole boatload of military and civilian guns.
There were hundreds of millions of them warehoused all over the world, and the 1994 AWB allowed them to be freely imported with no restrictions. Hence after the initial panic wore off, standardized AR and AK magazines ended up cheaper and more abundant 1994-2004 than pre-'94, as I recall. Before the declining dollar under Bush II made imports more expensive, I was buying AK magazines for $9.99/ea for 30's, and $5.99/ea for the 20's that I preferred, in 2003. My 2002 AK came with a 40-round RPK magazine which was a bit of a collectible even then, even more so now. I wasn't into FAL's or the other .308's, but I understand that FAL and CETME magazines were like $2.99/ea for 20-rounders at the same time.
3. AR's and over-10-round magazines are FAR more popular now than in 1994.
True; ordinary civilians wanting to pretend they're as well armed as soldiers fighting wars & stuff, while never having to actually serve in a war, or join the army navy or marines, or join a militia, or, real combat type stuff. They just want to pretend they're a really 'well armed militia', ready for anything.
True; ordinary civilians wanting to pretend they're as well armed as soldiers fighting wars & stuff, while never having to actually serve in a war, or join the army navy or marines, or join a militia, or, real combat type stuff. They just want to pretend they're a really 'well armed militia', ready for anything.
If that's why you think gun owners own 15-30 round magazines, or prefer aluminum-and-zytel centerfire .22's to walnut-and-steel .30's, then no wonder you take the position you do.
I suppose all those people who own bolt-action military-style Mauser derivatives like the Winchester Model 70 see themselves as doughboys storming the trenches, or white-feathers sniping the rice paddies? And those who shoot lever-action Henry derivatives see themselves as Civil War cavalry? Please.
I used to shoot a Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle; I now shoot a Rock River carbine in a configuration that has never been used by any military on this planet (16" barrel, midlength flattop upper, Wilson match barrel, no automatic capability). The difference between the Ruger and the Rock River is accuracy, ergonomics, and looks. Though I'm sure you consider the Ruger an "assault weapon" also...
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Squinch
Jan 2013
#59
For that matter, why not just go ahead an legalize owning Howitzers and Tactical Nukes?
apocalypsehow
Jan 2013
#62
I didn't know that, actually. Interesting. Even though we're on different sides of this issue,
apocalypsehow
Jan 2013
#70
Cool video. Gun issue aside, glad someone is keeping vintage pieces like this in service
apocalypsehow
Jan 2013
#72
The spoons! The Ryder trucks! The guppies! The pool noodles! They ALL kill people!
Squinch
Jan 2013
#14
If you think the above is a "logical fallacy" then you don't understand what a logical fallacy
apocalypsehow
Jan 2013
#63
LOL! Hadn't though of that play in years! Spot-on description, too. Exactly right.
apocalypsehow
Jan 2013
#68
I think this article is telling as to what kicking a hornets nest looks like...
Elmergantry
Jan 2013
#25
Oh! So elections have something to do with the quality of candidate? Cause if I'm not mistaken,
Squinch
Jan 2013
#26
That's nice dear. Choose the pro-gun candidate. But didn't this start with you saying
Squinch
Jan 2013
#34
The draw of many moderates to Democrats was because of the budget, and the easing of Democratic
iiibbb
Jan 2013
#36
Didn't you just say you were going to vote for someone because they were pro gun? Is that a multiple
Squinch
Jan 2013
#37
you sound like the Republicans I argue with when I say the same thing about gay and abortion rights
iiibbb
Jan 2013
#31
What makes you think it's going to cost the presidency? Have you seen the polls?
DanTex
Jan 2013
#24
As far as I can tell, the polls simply use the terms "assault weapon" and "high-capacity magazine".
DanTex
Jan 2013
#42
Hey! Have you heard?? New York dropped from #1 in gun deaths in 2006 to not even in the top 5!
Squinch
Jan 2013
#67
Yet, New York has fallen faster than the others, going from the largest number of deaths to
Squinch
Jan 2013
#93