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shira

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69. Okay, but I asked you about this specifically. This video shows human shielding....

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 05:12 PM

Sep 2014

Hamas embedding its weaponry and firing from within a dense civilian population.

I wanted to see if you could acknowledge THIS particular crime and condemn it.

Thanks.

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Naomi Wolf’s Embrace of Hamas Spells the Fall of a Feminist Icon [View all] shira Sep 2014 OP

When did "embrace of Hamas" become synonymous with "not sufficiently Islamophobic"? DanTex Sep 2014 #1

Let's start with the first point Wolf made. Veiling of women isn't repression.... shira Sep 2014 #3

Umm, no, let's start with the title of the OP: "Naomi Wolf's embrace of Hamas". DanTex Sep 2014 #9

Fine. Naomi Wolf goes out of her way to defend Hamas war crimes... shira Sep 2014 #13

She's responding to the common excuse given for Israeli war crimes. I'm sure you've heard it before. DanTex Sep 2014 #17

And that "excuse" is a fact that Hamas defenders deny or defend. shira Sep 2014 #22

Progressive's shouldn't defend any war crimes, be they Israeli or Hamas. DanTex Sep 2014 #26

But Wolf does, and that's the point. shira Sep 2014 #30

Again, she's responding to an excuse that Israel makes for war crimes. DanTex Sep 2014 #38

She's not defending war crimes? What Hamas is doing.... shira Sep 2014 #41

She's talking about the excuse that Israel makes for its war crimes: "they're all human shields". DanTex Sep 2014 #55

LOL @ your ridiculous attempts to defend the indefensible. We're done. n/t shira Sep 2014 #58

OK. And I'll LOL at the fact that you fall flat when you can't put words in other people's mouths. DanTex Sep 2014 #60

Okay, so riddle me this one: Here's an Indian camera crew.... shira Sep 2014 #65

I believe that Hamas commits war crime. I also believe that Israel commits war crimes. DanTex Sep 2014 #68

Okay, but I asked you about this specifically. This video shows human shielding.... shira Sep 2014 #69

Okay, and that is damn right. Aerows Sep 2014 #74

Read my comment from the OP. It's not as much about Naomi Wolf as it is.... shira Sep 2014 #79

It's about slander. Aerows Sep 2014 #80

Wolf defended Hamas fascists committing clear war crimes... shira Sep 2014 #82

FAILURE. n/t Aerows Sep 2014 #83

Why is it so difficult to acknowledge & condemn Hamas war crimes? n/t shira Sep 2014 #84

Probably less difficult Aerows Sep 2014 #85

In my opinion, that video shows a war crime. DanTex Sep 2014 #86

THANK YOU for acknowledging Hamas war crimes. shira Sep 2014 #101

By following Israeli propaganda you, personally, are justifying war crimes intaglio Sep 2014 #90

Nope, thats not true at all, King_David Sep 2014 #95

Do you think this article is a fair assessment of Naomi Wolf's positions Aerows Sep 2014 #96

Do u think it was fair of Wolf to accuse Israel of genocide.... shira Sep 2014 #105

Radical left wing propaganda chervilant Sep 2014 #110

Would you say it is OK to murder the relatives of a murderer? intaglio Sep 2014 #99

No that's also not true King_David Sep 2014 #109

Erm, It isn't an insult intaglio Sep 2014 #115

Quote from wherever you want, King_David Sep 2014 #116

So you deny the very great heritage of literature and quotation intaglio Sep 2014 #117

Jewish ethnic heritage and culture King_David Sep 2014 #118

So you deny the Tanakh and its importance to Judaism and Israel intaglio Sep 2014 #119

"that this depicts you as ignorant." King_David Sep 2014 #120

It has nothing whatsoever to do with religion intaglio Sep 2014 #121

One thing you have is fantastic insight into yourself . King_David Sep 2014 #128

So no answers only more ignorance. intaglio Sep 2014 #135

Terrific self insight King_David Sep 2014 #137

So let me get this right... King_David Sep 2014 #140

Well obviously I'll have to educate you - It is spelt DIASPORA intaglio Sep 2014 #142

I was brought up in this culture , King_David Sep 2014 #143

Unlike you I have done some reading and followed the history intaglio Sep 2014 #144

So you read a book about Golah Jewish King_David Sep 2014 #146

I have read many books on many subjects intaglio Sep 2014 #148

Not sure who your "arguing" with King_David Sep 2014 #149

My argument is with you and your tortured attempts to belittle anyone opposed to you intaglio Sep 2014 #150

You are 100% correct King_David Sep 2014 #151

You realize the IDF never fired upon that particular location, right? shira Sep 2014 #102

I did not say it did at that time intaglio Sep 2014 #106

Are you capable of acknowledging Hamas war crimes & condemning them? shira Sep 2014 #108

Try reading for comprehension intaglio Sep 2014 #112

Okay, but I asked you about the video. It shows human shielding.... shira Sep 2014 #122

Only in the most general sense, it shows missiles being prepared and fired from waste ground intaglio Sep 2014 #124

So that video does NOT show human shielding by Hamas...? shira Sep 2014 #126

I - did - not - say - that intaglio Sep 2014 #133

Not strong acknowledgement or condemnation there.... shira Sep 2014 #136

So I gather from this that condemnation is not enough only "strong" condemnation intaglio Sep 2014 #138

I don't have a problem calling things as I see them, but you do.... shira Sep 2014 #139

I have condemned you have not - simple intaglio Sep 2014 #141

You defended Hamas war crimes, stating they're not such a big deal... shira Sep 2014 #145

I still condemned - unlike you intaglio Sep 2014 #147

Kahan recommended Sharon be dismissed as Defense Minister shira Sep 2014 #153

He recommended Sharon be dismissed from Government intaglio Sep 2014 #154

And I condemned Sharon and Begin for not following the Supreme Court... shira Sep 2014 #155

Back at you Cartoonist Sep 2014 #89

You don't agree that Hamas are fascists? n/t shira Sep 2014 #107

No Cartoonist Sep 2014 #111

Hamas meets all the criteria for being a fascist organization. n/t shira Sep 2014 #113

If you say so Cartoonist Sep 2014 #114

once again any criticism MFM008 Sep 2014 #77

i'm disgusted with naomi wolf samsingh Sep 2014 #93

Same old either/or argument. Aerows Sep 2014 #25

And it is a disease that infects too much of DU these days, regardless of the topic. arcane1 Sep 2014 #34

You can't comment on a thread Aerows Sep 2014 #37

At this point, I'm an irrational lover and hater of pretty much everything. Sometimes both! arcane1 Sep 2014 #39

Right there with you, my friend! Aerows Sep 2014 #40

veiling of women is control over them and to make them nonpeople samsingh Sep 2014 #92

Wolf says she wrote about Muslim clitorectomy. Okay, where? n/t shira Sep 2014 #5

LOL. You think she's lying? And you trust the right-winger who says she didn't? DanTex Sep 2014 #8

I tried looking it up and couldn't find it. Shouldn't be THAT hard. n/t shira Sep 2014 #11

She's written 9 books. Have fun reading them. I'll take her word over the right-winger from the OP DanTex Sep 2014 #16

Yeah, nothing online. No quotes of her about that. Nothing. shira Sep 2014 #20

Obviously, you and your right-wing buddy have searched the entire internet. DanTex Sep 2014 #27

It's telling when an outspoken feminist's condemnation of FGM.... shira Sep 2014 #42

Keep walking backwards... you're a pretty long way from the OP. DanTex Sep 2014 #45

If u say so, but she hasn't said shit about FGM in Islamic societies... shira Sep 2014 #53

I say so and I'm right. And, yes, she has. DanTex Sep 2014 #57

How about you read her book Alittleliberal Sep 2014 #94

I notice your change in terms from FGM to clitorectomy why is that azurnoir Sep 2014 #18

Can't find either term. She railed about forced clitorectomies in the UK.... shira Sep 2014 #21

But you claimed nothing at all azurnoir Sep 2014 #23

Yeah, nothing at all about FGM or clitorectomies throughout the mideast. n/t shira Sep 2014 #28

Oh so it must be in the ME I see is that a special type of FGM or what? azurnoir Sep 2014 #36

In Africa, it's mostly happening within Islamic societies. Nothing about that either.... shira Sep 2014 #43

apparently you've never known any Eritrean women who are Christian I take it ? azurnoir Sep 2014 #46

seeing as how you seem very concerned with feminist values you should post this in HoF n/t azurnoir Sep 2014 #2

Because when I want to know about feminist liberals, I ask a misogynist right-winger. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #4

Well supporting Hamas is a bit weird for a feminist, King_David Sep 2014 #6

Good thing she hasn't done that, then. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #10

She has most assuredly not Aerows Sep 2014 #97

So since no one supports or stands for Hamas, how does one explain Wolf's defense.... shira Sep 2014 #103

Since when is defending Hamas feminist, liberal, or progressive? n/t shira Sep 2014 #7

Boteach doesn't support his own thesis, Shira Scootaloo Sep 2014 #12

Boteach quoted Wolf defending Hamas war crimes like human shielding shira Sep 2014 #14

If you use an exceptionally loose definition of "defense" Scootaloo Sep 2014 #15

So we agree Wolf is defending Hamas fascists.... shira Sep 2014 #19

almost as loosely as the term Human Shield is used azurnoir Sep 2014 #24

Still denying Hamas human shielding, despite all the recent reports? n/t shira Sep 2014 #44

Not despite but because of the reports which show no actual Human Shielding except in the azurnoir Sep 2014 #47

Here's 1 example on video, from an Indian crew reporting from Gaza.... shira Sep 2014 #49

already saw it as it was used to attempt to justify knowingly bombing civilians azurnoir Sep 2014 #52

That's evidence of human shielding, a war crime. You deny.... shira Sep 2014 #56

I'm denying nothing as you see IDF bombs despite this knowing azurnoir Sep 2014 #61

You are denying that the missile battery in-between the hotel buildings.... shira Sep 2014 #64

No I am not denying anything if there were indeed war crimes they were commited by both sides azurnoir Sep 2014 #71

LOL. I commend u for your consistency. n/t shira Sep 2014 #73

Good as well you should as opposed to making false allegations about what I said azurnoir Sep 2014 #75

If Naomi Wolff hasn't *expressly* stated Aerows Sep 2014 #29

Wolf defended Hamas war crimes like human shielding within civilian populations shira Sep 2014 #31

Where is your denunciation of the lack of international efforts Aerows Sep 2014 #32

If I defended people trying to spread the Ebola virus, you'd be onto something.... shira Sep 2014 #33

I'm waiting for evidence. Aerows Sep 2014 #35

Here she is from facebook defending Hamas war crimes shira Sep 2014 #48

Was that supposed to be evidence for Aerows Sep 2014 #50

"Where else.... shira Sep 2014 #51

Uh, my question remains. Aerows Sep 2014 #54

That's an argument for. She defends Hamas by excusing their strategy.... shira Sep 2014 #59

If you say so. Aerows Sep 2014 #62

Here's a video of Hamas firing missiles among apartment/hotel buildings... shira Sep 2014 #63

I think that approaching any argument Aerows Sep 2014 #66

You don't see human shielding, a war crime in that video? n/t shira Sep 2014 #67

Let me ask you a question. Aerows Sep 2014 #70

Why is it so difficult to admit what you're clearly seeing in that video? shira Sep 2014 #72

You've arrived at the correct conclusion Aerows Sep 2014 #76

Shira how are Palestinian civilians Human Shields if Israel bombs anyway knowing as I pointed out azurnoir Sep 2014 #78

Those rockets in-between apartment/hotel buildings is not a war-crime..... shira Sep 2014 #81

shira show us exactly where I said those words azurnoir Sep 2014 #87

"If" there were war crimes? That video doesn't show a war crime? n/t shira Sep 2014 #104

when one has to paraphrase as supposed proof that could be indicative of azurnoir Sep 2014 #123

Huh? Simple question... shira Sep 2014 #125

simple question does Israel bomb regardless? why yes it does azurnoir Sep 2014 #127

Again, True or False? I'll gladly answer you once you answer me. n/t shira Sep 2014 #129

don't wish to answer do you? I understand and you already got your answer azurnoir Sep 2014 #131

You're still denying human shields. shira Sep 2014 #132

I'm pointing out how cynical the usage of the term is in the case of the Gaza conflict azurnoir Sep 2014 #134

For anyone interested, here's her response LeftishBrit Sep 2014 #88

The difference is that she is speaking in her OWN words Aerows Sep 2014 #91

And here is the response to the response oberliner Sep 2014 #100

It's nice to know that I'm not alone in being a bit crazy. grossproffit Sep 2014 #152

Our Global community Aerows Sep 2014 #98

I like her ann--- Sep 2014 #130