Israel/Palestine

Shaktimaan

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78. No.

Reply to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #77)

Sun Jul 6, 2014, 03:51 AM

Jul 2014

No it's really not. I'm not sure where you'd even get an idea like that.

Zionism is best thought of as an expression of 19th century European ethnic nationalism

BEST thought of? You mean it's best for those who have an interest in discrediting it I assume?

Zionism is like any other form of ethnic nationalism in that trying to minimize any identity down to a single phrase will seldom give you much information of educational value. Most states are formed of ethnic nations. I'm not sure why you seem to consider this a slight.

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If Co-Existence is Impossible, Then What? [View all] shira Jul 2014 OP

"Just separation." You are out doing yourself, shira. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #1

Yes, separation via 2 states. And? n/t shira Jul 2014 #3

I don't think that is what your OP is hoping for. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #4

Agreed Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #14

You changed your mind? Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #16

Yup Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #17

That was weird how I was able to see both comments...I have had other odd glitches recently Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #18

No. Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #15

The way I read it is that Israel must continue to control the Jordan Valley.... shira Jul 2014 #19

Read it again. Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #21

Okay, I read it for the 3rd time. And I just realized there was a page 2..... shira Jul 2014 #22

That is ethnic cleansing. Pure and simple. nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #28

I thought ethnic cleansing was forced deportation... shira Jul 2014 #36

Really? Wow. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #56

No it's an argument to keep the territories Shivering Jemmy Jul 2014 #2

Where do u see an argument for exile of the Palestinians? shira Jul 2014 #20

Nevermind. Just realized there was a page 2. n/t shira Jul 2014 #23

Why not just call it apartness? R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #5

I have a solution, shira: PCIntern Jul 2014 #6

The Israelis need to leave the West Bank R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jul 2014 #8

and then after they leave the West Bank PCIntern Jul 2014 #9

Occupation does not equall colonization. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #10

Yeah. It's a real shame that those territorial boundaries PCIntern Jul 2014 #11

Which is your preference: apartheid or ethnic cleansing? geek tragedy Jul 2014 #25

Wow. PCIntern Jul 2014 #29

You're the one advocating that Israel keep the geek tragedy Jul 2014 #30

Absurd logic. PCIntern Jul 2014 #32

Do you favor ethnic cleansing in the West Bank to geek tragedy Jul 2014 #34

"Obviously"...to you perhaps... PCIntern Jul 2014 #35

"when YOU do it, it's Colonization...when Jews do it it's Occupation." R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #39

You mean when Jews kidnap three Palestinians, kill them PCIntern Jul 2014 #41

I asked you a direct question, pci. Please don't do the jig around it and make excuses. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #43

You're on the historical losing side and you're PCIntern Jul 2014 #68

I asked you a direct question, pci, and you have run away from it. That much is clear. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #70

OOOOOOOOOOH!!! PCIntern Jul 2014 #72

"what you want is for me to retaliate so you can alert the moderators." R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #73

re shaayecanaan Jul 2014 #66

What makes you think Kahanism is a good geek tragedy Jul 2014 #27

There you go again PCIntern Jul 2014 #31

This thread is about an article advocating ethnic cleansing. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #33

It's obviously not so simple. Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #13

"It's obviously not so simple." R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #40

When Israel withdraws into the Mediterranean, you mean. PCIntern Jul 2014 #42

Ahhh the clutching of pearls has begun I see. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #44

If you're for 2 states, then enough of the BDS bullshit. Norm Finkelstein..... shira Jul 2014 #46

BDS is a means to an end... R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #48

BDS calls for Israel's end. There's nothing Israel can do to appease BDS'ers... shira Jul 2014 #50

Instead of twisting youself in knots R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #51

Calling for an end to Israel is being on the wrong side of history shira Jul 2014 #52

Cherry picking again, shira? R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #53

Answer my question. Do you deny that the aim of BDS is Israel's destruction? shira Jul 2014 #54

My poor sweet shira... R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #55

Norman Finkelstein: "BDS is dishonest, not fooling anyone, calls 4 Israel's destruction..." shira Jul 2014 #57

It truly will be hard on you when R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #58

Working towards Israel's destruction (as BDS does) is not progressive or liberal. shira Jul 2014 #59

Keep on spinning your Bs all you want shira. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #62

Yup.... Israeli Jul 2014 #60

Gush Shalom is against BDS, as Uri Avnery has made clear shira Jul 2014 #61

It all works out to the same thing, shira. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #63

Yup n/t Israeli Jul 2014 #65

:) ..... Israeli Jul 2014 #64

Keep telling yourself that PCIntern Jul 2014 #67

"and terrorism was performed prior to 1967..." R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #69

Sure will... PCIntern Jul 2014 #71

And yet you really didn't mention that Irgun was a Jewish terrorist group that targetted R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #74

BDS calls for Israel's destruction. Norm Finkelstein admits it.... shira Jul 2014 #45

Sanctions are coming sooner or later R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #49

Care to comment on the article's call for mass ethnic cleansing? geek tragedy Jul 2014 #24

the term 'apartness' applies here azurnoir Jul 2014 #12

It used to be that the Zionist side of the argument geek tragedy Jul 2014 #26

There are plenty of leftwing Zionists left, I can assure you. LeftishBrit Jul 2014 #38

Labor is a joke at this point. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #47

This is a nasty article LeftishBrit Jul 2014 #37

Probably because the state of Israel... Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #75

R u serious? Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #76

Whether it's the philosophy of Zionism or not... Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #77

No. Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #78

Not really Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #79

You missed a few. Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #80