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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
112. I see you're ignoring my post#100 too. I am not interested in discussing whether or not
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 10:45 AM
Jun 2014

you think no good for the Palestinians would come from the ICC. My point is that
Israel can be brought to the ICC and those links established how that can occur.
That you attempted numerous times to portray your own false presumptions and errors
about by intent for the purpose of taking Israel to the ICC is what this conversation
is primarily about. You were adamant about the UNSC not having the authority to
forward the case to the ICC, that was also not correct...they can.

Why anyone has to tell you WHO goes to the ICC is pretty funny. If you notice, when
you read articles on this subject, it is generally understood what I am saying to you.
You will see the language,i.e; Israel and Palestine come to the International Court.

Why this has to be spelled out for you is beyond me. When I state Israel can be prosecuted,
what do you think that means? That I believe every citizen of Israel will be served a subpoena?
Those responsible for policies that violate the rights of the Palestinians and any other violent acts,
generally,those in leadership roles who were aware of violations and or gave the orders, etc.

I notice you present yourself as having answers that you in the end can't back up. Paired with
an ego attitude that does not serve you. I am skeptical of any poster who refers to themselves
this way: I'll enjoy evicerating the rest of your pathetic argument later. First try and answer this question honestly.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=65574

I find it hard to take your opinions and attitude seriously.

I have had more productive conversations with shira.




Though the issues are all related in the middle east, they are still different issues, and have to lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #1
Yes. MSM is a corporate message as you know and almost completely unreliable..with the Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #2
A regional agreement is impossible without an Israeli/Palestinian peace agreement. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #3
Yea, he wants Kerry to leave them alone..go find something else to do. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #4
Incorrect. It is and always has been an Arab/Israel conflict.... shira Jun 2014 #5
You had a big plate of offensive nonsense for breakfast I see. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #6
It's a sad situation, but unfortunately accurate. If you disagree, explain why. shira Jun 2014 #7
You haven't proved anything you posted is accurate..you have posted broad brush Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #8
I recommend reality over fiction. Try it sometime! shira Jun 2014 #9
The problem is you created a narrative to fit an agenda..it is all over the internet and pushed Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author shira Jun 2014 #11
Here you go. Watch, listen, and learn. This isn't rocket science... shira Jun 2014 #12
You deleted your other clip...and you think this one is more convincing. Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #13
So this Fatah spokesman really didn't mean what he was saying, right? shira Jun 2014 #14
Keep feeding yourself on a diet of propaganda and you'll likely end up in a bad place. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #15
The problem is u don't take Palestinians at their word. Maybe they're joking? shira Jun 2014 #16
Shame on you, really. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #17
PA children's TV, encouraging kids to call for destruction of Israel shira Jun 2014 #18
Palwatch, CAMERA, MEMRI...you're not asking for answers, you're looking for opportunities Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #19
So Palwatch, CAMERA, and MEMRI are making this all up? Nothing to see here? shira Jun 2014 #22
It is sad how you present these discredited sources as mainstream. Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #23
You don't believe they're mainstream outside Israel in that region? n/t shira Jun 2014 #25
Perhaps I was not clear earlier..your sources are discredited, period. Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #27
You're deflecting attention to the sources while deliberately ignoring.... shira Jun 2014 #29
...."the goal, cede not one inch of land." shira Jun 2014 #24
It is not their land to give up and the WB and EJ are not disputed territory. It is OPT. Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #31
I asked you how withdrawing to '67 lines solves 1948. Waiting for an answer. n/t shira Jun 2014 #33
What problem would that be? The one your pro-settlers made up in their quest Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #34
So Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, ISIS, the MB, Syria, Iran..... shira Jun 2014 #37
Just like Bibi, you group everyone together...and you expect people to take your Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #39
Keep running away & evading everything. What do u fear? n/t shira Jun 2014 #41
I haven't gone anywhere..don't confuse my rejection of your ideas and your sources as Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #43
I think that sabbat hunter Jun 2014 #104
After Goldstone, you believe the UN would allow Israel to declare "formal war"…. shira Jun 2014 #107
Well, it's both really. Shaktimaan Jun 2014 #45
No, it's not. Israel will not have a legal leg to stand on if Abbas goes to the ICC. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #46
You think? Shaktimaan Jun 2014 #47
Yes, you know, when I consider your legal proficiency on torture and the Geneva Convention, Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #48
I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Shaktimaan Jun 2014 #49
Coming from you, this is laughable. You have no clue what Israel has already signed on to Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #50
interesting. Shaktimaan Jun 2014 #51
Oh please, you have spewed your knowledge with authority in the previous thread. Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #52
you should be embarrassed. Shaktimaan Jun 2014 #53
Oh for crying out loud, stop playing victim. YOUR words are right here: Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #54
can you read? Shaktimaan Jun 2014 #55
Admit you have no clue, sure..but I thought I already did that. You can't point to the other two. Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #57
Jeez. Shaktimaan Jun 2014 #86
What I see is a refusal to acknowledge you were/are confused. Much of what you presumed Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #89
You intentionally responded to post#57 twice, instead of this one. Do you think that goes unnoticed? Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #100
Sigh Shaktimaan Jun 2014 #106
I see you're ignoring my post#100 too. I am not interested in discussing whether or not Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #112
At this point I can see that even you Shaktimaan Jun 2014 #96
gasp Shaktimaan Jun 2014 #56
How old are you? n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #58
No matter how old he is I think you meant to say ' Hey Shaktimaan , you got me, I really have King_David Jun 2014 #59
You came just in time, I was wondering where his friends were at. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #60
yep , he really did show that you do not know what is up with the ICC, King_David Jun 2014 #61
The ICC can take the case, as I layed out, and the reasons the Palestinians Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #62
No his argument was they could not take Israel to the ICC for the reasons you said they could, King_David Jun 2014 #63
Read post #48, the reasons I posted there..he disagreed. Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #65
Still makes no sense even after repeating it King_David Jun 2014 #69
Only if you insist on helping your friend out of a jam. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #70
He was in no Jam King_David Jun 2014 #71
Like I said, the reasons are listed in the sequence, that you deny it is not surprising. Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #72
Having a good laugh at your inept bumbling. Fozzledick Jun 2014 #64
Coming from the guy who says the word Palestinian is made up...please join in. Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #66
Yep, that's the plain truth. Fozzledick Jun 2014 #67
Pitiful means you use to diminish people..unfucking believable. Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #68
Oh really? How many "people" do you think you are? Fozzledick Jun 2014 #73
Who the fuck do you think your kidding? Your posts drip with contempt for the Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #74
Yeah, you don't give a shit what anyone thinks about you. Fozzledick Jun 2014 #75
Yea, Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #76
Are u "the Palestinians" now? King_David Jun 2014 #84
Sporting more emoticons I see, to make no point. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #90
You seem to think when someone is mocking what YOU King_David Jun 2014 #91
You're lost, he knows damn well who he was mocking. His claim about the made up Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #92
You seem to think your a Palestinian King_David Jun 2014 #93
You seem to be as lost as he is. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #94
wrong so very very wrong the word is much much older azurnoir Jun 2014 #101
No, shame on anyone ignoring the reality of the situation & what the Jews.... shira Jun 2014 #20
To you it is. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #21
To anyone not willfully blind, it's reality. shira Jun 2014 #26
I haven't asked for censorship, quite the contrary..let people who frequent this website Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #28
Instead of focusing on rightwing pro-settler ideology, why not.... shira Jun 2014 #30
I have no fear of anything you have presented..nothing you post is Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #32
So let's discuss mainstream anti-Israel thought througout the mideast.... shira Jun 2014 #35
Your peristence on making fiction a reality is funny, in a sad way. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #36
So your answer is no, I assume. It's not mainstream thought throughout the mideast.... shira Jun 2014 #38
I don't think you're in a position to define mainstream thought on the ME. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #40
Another evasion. You can't stand having your beliefs challenged. I get it. n/t shira Jun 2014 #42
In your mind this is true..I get that. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #44
Israel is not "the Jews". Ken Burch Jun 2014 #83
" less prone to group-think than any other people I've ever met," King_David Jun 2014 #95
It's a complimentary statement. It's a POSITIVE statement. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #98
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service WatermelonRat Jun 2014 #77
Looks like a stalker is still playing games. Fozzledick Jun 2014 #78
I think a Tobot or a Robot alerted King_David Jun 2014 #85
This is a war, as no dissent is tolerated. They don't like being challenged. n/t shira Jun 2014 #88
Well, king. You would be wrong. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #99
LOL. Thanks. n/t shira Jun 2014 #79
If what you posted there had any relationship to reality Ken Burch Jun 2014 #80
You keep pretending the Arab/Israel conflict is about 1967, when it's really about 1948.... shira Jun 2014 #81
If what you're saying is true(it's not), STAYING in the West Bank won't do any good, either. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #82
So answer me this one, Ken... shira Jun 2014 #87
If there's a threat to leaving the West Bank, there's a greater threat to staying. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #97
Not.Really.An.Answer shira Jun 2014 #102
Thanks for admitting that average Palestinians DON'T "hate on Jews". Ken Burch Jun 2014 #103
You have no answer to the vast majority of Israelis…. shira Jun 2014 #109
I didn't say I don't empathize Ken Burch Jun 2014 #113
I agree w/ you that Israel cannot stay. But Israel cannot get out either... shira Jun 2014 #114
Here is my take on things sabbat hunter Jun 2014 #105
As to your choices…. shira Jun 2014 #108
which choice do you sabbat hunter Jun 2014 #110
Give the Palestinians a choice - take it or leave it - between #1-2.... shira Jun 2014 #111
I will add.... shira Jun 2014 #115
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