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In reply to the discussion: Peter Beinart: Obama Betrayed Ideals on Israel (excellent read) [View all]shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)25. re Refugees and Settlements
http://transparency.aljazeera.net/files/5012.PDF
SE: So we look at whats doable. The Jordanians will support whatever AM decides.
Egypt, I dont know they want to bring Netanyahu in. The Russians want a meeting in
Sochi The French I told them stop this, dont try to bypass the US. You are whats in
it for us. There is no other way. We have to avoid fragmentation. We asked you to give us
your position on the end game, not a treaty- give us your position. Countries have
positions. Your position is two state solution, Palestinian state, ending the occupation. So
we said 67 borders with agreed swaps. Thats your position, so say it! If you put down such
a paper we will call an emergency Arab summit and get it accepted. Netanyahu will reject.
Either he will change his coalition or there will be elections. Israelis want the two state
solution but they dont trust. They want it more than you think, sometimes more than
Palestinians. What is in that paper gives them the biggest Yerushalaim in Jewish history,
symbolic number of refugees return, demilitarized state What more can I give?
DH: Can we be more specific
SE: On process will meet with Uzi Arad. You know the paper the paper I gave to
Daniel, AM wrote it himself. We translated it. AM knows the Israelis well. He understands
Netanyahu. He saw the minutes of his cabinet meeting where he talked about his book
Under the Sun and called AM an extremist and a terrorist. AM will not allow Netanyahu 4
to do to him what he did to Arafat. AM is the father of the peace camp, Oslo and 18 years
later Israel remains the source of authority. His heart aches when he sees families thrown
into the streets of Jerusalem. And Fayyad as well with the events in Nablus. So these are
the choices. [SE prints copy of paper]. Why cant you adopt the paper?
http://transparency.aljazeera.net/files/2825.PDF
We proposed that the ratio of swap should not exceed 1.9% from the total area of
the West Bank, including East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip, and that swapped
land should be located on 1967 borders.
- As for settlements, we proposed the following: Removal of some settlements,
annexation of others, and keeping others under Palestinian sovereignty.
- This last proposition could help in the swap process. We proposed that Israel
annexes all settlements in Jerusalem except Jabal Abu Ghneim (Har Homa). This
is the first time in history that we make such a proposition; we refused to do so n
Camp David.
- We cannot accept the annexation of Maale Adumim, Ariel, Givat Zeev, Ephrat
and Har Homa settlements.
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So "deflating Republican attacks" is more important than standing agaisnt injustice?
Ken Burch
Mar 2012
#51
Oh goodie we get to go to war , Because Obama didn't want to hurt Bibis little feeling
bahrbearian
Mar 2012
#2
#1, we won't stop giving $ to Israel. #2, do you really think we/Obama wants
babylonsister
Mar 2012
#5
shira once again Olmert himself says that Abbas did not refuse Olmert "stepped away" from being PM
azurnoir
Mar 2012
#10
Big deal. Did Abbas counter with anything reasonable at all, or did he just quietly walk away?
shira
Mar 2012
#11
shira the OP states that Abbas and Erekat tried to give the current PM and his rep
azurnoir
Mar 2012
#13
why will Israel not extend or even discuss it now? why the now you see it now you don't?
azurnoir
Mar 2012
#28
Stop. Now you're dredging up your past failed attempts to dismiss Olmert's offer.
shira
Mar 2012
#30
well a couple of things here first Livni who was the front running candidate for Kadima did not
azurnoir
Mar 2012
#48
Why is the response to Olmert's "offer" more important than the offers Abbas & Co. made recently?
Ken Burch
Mar 2012
#53
Again, why is the Olmert offer more important than the more recent PA offers that azur mentioned?
Ken Burch
Mar 2012
#54
Please show me where Abbas and Olmert agreed to some small number of refugees. n/t
shira
Mar 2012
#40
The first link you provided is from Jan 2010. You realize that's well after Olmert?
shira
Mar 2012
#29
According to Saeb Erekat, the Palestinians' starting position in June 2008 was 150,000...
shaayecanaan
Mar 2012
#42