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pelsar

(12,283 posts)
25. beating up somebody is a crime.....(assuming the intent is criminal)
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 05:11 AM
Mar 2012

thats a reality, who's business is it, if in my head i don't like his skin color, his smell or his religion?

why isn't it enough that I beat him up?

and the example is not cynical, that is exactly the reality of creating a "hate crime"....hate can't be proven, its an emotion in somebodies head, and its use is political. A bllnd justice does not know hate

how can you prove "hate".....maybe i just don't 'like" koreans?....if I beat one up, because i don't "like" him, thats not "hate" thats "dislike" is that too a crime?

and along those lines..whats wrong with being a bigot..i don't have to 'love" everybody and in fact i don't trust anybody who claims they "love" everyone. Push anybody into a corner, put a bit life and death pressure on them, perhaps economic and the bigot will come out, we've all got it, education may hide it, but its there its natural and just as being gay shouldn't be a crime, neither should ones other natural emotions.

In the US, this would have been thrown out already. aranthus Feb 2012 #1
Im not so sure.... pelsar Feb 2012 #2
Hate crimes laws in the US would not apply in this case azurnoir Feb 2012 #3
the definition of a hate crimes.....reaks of "facism" pelsar Mar 2012 #9
you've got the definition of hate crimes now if IM Tizu fits one of those catagories ..... azurnoir Mar 2012 #11
the point is i don't agree to the whole concept of "hate crimes".... pelsar Mar 2012 #19
I do agree with it because the current hate crimes laws have more to do with actions azurnoir Mar 2012 #22
beating up somebody is a crime.....(assuming the intent is criminal) pelsar Mar 2012 #25
yes and so is murder but let me give you 2 examples that happened in Israel and the OPT azurnoir Mar 2012 #27
terrorism is not hate... pelsar Mar 2012 #29
there is reasoning behind it Shaktimaan Mar 2012 #30
i understand the concept.....and the why..BUT pelsar Mar 2012 #31
The thing is though that no one is telling you how to 'feel' LeftishBrit Mar 2012 #32
but the only way to know the difference is to "get into my head"... pelsar Mar 2012 #33
no there has to be external evidence that the victim was targeted because of being a member azurnoir Mar 2012 #34
Considering that Im Tirzu produced campaigning literature where they portrayed Naomi Chazan with a LeftishBrit Feb 2012 #4
The horn thing was ridiculous, but Chazan's New Israel Fund allocates money... shira Feb 2012 #5
Lol azurnoir Feb 2012 #6
Hmmm..... shira Feb 2012 #7
what about Amnesty International, HRW, and Care International? azurnoir Mar 2012 #8
I thought I made myself clear in the last post.. shira Mar 2012 #10
wow okay then NGO's are bad if they do not fit your(?) zero tolerance clause got it azurnoir Mar 2012 #12
You believe the same thing... shira Mar 2012 #13
so now the secular one state agenda is Kahanist azurnoir Mar 2012 #14
Wow, you really don't get it, do you? And now you're throwing red herrings... shira Mar 2012 #15
ah but shira I do 'get it' that's the problem azurnoir Mar 2012 #16
It doesn't matter if the Kahanists run the state or not... shira Mar 2012 #17
shira it seems you believe that there is an antiZionist conspiracy? azurnoir Mar 2012 #18
LOL... shira Mar 2012 #20
Trying to put me on the defensive are ya ? not working azurnoir Mar 2012 #21
Nope, just asking a question. It's yet another that goes unanswered... shira Mar 2012 #23
right shira the thread I linked to was posted within a very short time of the ToS azurnoir Mar 2012 #24
The point is, you can't have your cake and eat it too... shira Mar 2012 #26
No I do not find it hard to believe however azurnoir Mar 2012 #28
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