Israel/Palestine
In reply to the discussion: Israel, the un-apartheid state – a comparison with Australia [View all]shira
(30,109 posts)It's why you don't see your extreme viewpoints on I/P echoed by more Democrats.
Let's go over your main arguments:
1. Land theft: What makes W.Bank land exclusively Palestinian and in no way, shape, or form disputed? For example, the Temple area in Jerusalem, Hebron...? Judea and Samaria have been populated by Jews for thousands of years. You think that when every last Jew was ethnically cleansed in 1948 (beyond the green line) that Jews lost all rights to be there, and that any claim to any part of that area is bullshit and attempted theft? That's retarded.
2. Apartheid: You admitted it yourself, it's Israelis vs. Palestinians. One nationality vs. another. It has nothing to do with race. No other country on earth treats foreign nationals the same way they treat their own citizens. This is one reason your apartheid accusations are silly and baseless, and therefore only convincing to dupes and those in your echo chamber.
3. Israel grinds Palestinians under their heel: Israel has agreed to or offered the Palestinians their own state multiple times since 1937. The Palestinians don't want their own state if it means Israel will still exist. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? Israel has offered to end the occupation/settlements and give the Palestinians pretty much EVERYTHING they say they want in a 2 state deal, and yet the Palestinians rejected those offers w/o making counteroffers and in 2000 started Intifada 2 in response. Let's also remember Palestinian incitement and attacks against the Jewish apes and pigs (their words) have never stopped. Israel cannot be expected to capitulate to every single Palestinian demand, withdraw without a peace deal, and therefore put the security of millions (within rocket range) to those who are CRYSTAL CLEAR about their intentions to murder Jews in masses.
None of this even factors into your thinking, however. But I can assure you most liberals and democrats are well aware of these facts, or at least open-minded enough to consider them and be rational about the situation. Unlike yourself. It's why you're an extreme outlier.
Just saying...
It'd be one thing if you just came out and said you're against settlement policy, Likudnik rightwingers, and extreme settlers. But you can't leave it at that. It's no fun doing that. You just can't help but paint Israel as evil, irrational, racist, anti-peace, thieving shit-bags who have it in against poor, helpless Palestinian victims. Anyone who describes Palestinians in ways you don't like is racist w/o question in your view, but not so when it comes to those like yourself who demonize and slander Israelis and their supporters who actually care for Israel's welfare and understand how vital its importance is to the Jewish people. Your utter lack of empathy for the "other" (in this case Israelis and their Jewish supporters) is one reason you're considered a marginal Israel hater.