Israel/Palestine

shira

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240. But you support the Palestinians' "legal insurgency"....

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 09:52 PM

Aug 2013

Last edited Wed Aug 14, 2013, 10:26 PM - Edit history (1)

...which is code for Arab terror vs. innocent Jews.

Why support something that you believe is no better than Israeli actions, which you oppose?

You're not alone b/c Mondoweiss sees all the murderers being released by Israel as "freedom fighters"....
http://mondoweiss.net/2013/08/palestines-foreign-ministry-pushes-back-on-prisoner-story-says-occupiers-are-the-terrorists.html

I'm sure that just "horrifies" someone like yourself who opposes the murder of all innocents.

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Abbas wants 'not a single Israeli' in future Palestinian state [View all] oberliner Jul 2013 OP

Well, that certainly looks promising... nt COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #1

How shocking azurnoir Jul 2013 #2

Why can't Israelis stay if they are willing to live under Palestinian law? oberliner Jul 2013 #3

a couple of questions azurnoir Jul 2013 #4

Answers oberliner Jul 2013 #8

what 'peace treaty' there is none yet azurnoir Jul 2013 #10

The one Abbas is talking about? oberliner Jul 2013 #12

Oh so only Abbas is talking about peace® and that is what we call negotiating? azurnoir Jul 2013 #14

The OP is based on a quote from Abbas oberliner Jul 2013 #17

Not just Hebron. No Jews allowed to live in Palestinian Jerusalem either.... shira Jul 2013 #18

Palestinian Jerusalem oberliner Aug 2013 #25

so you believe the Israeli settlers in Hebron should remain? azurnoir Aug 2013 #30

What if they wish to remain as Palestinian citizens? You against that? n/t shira Aug 2013 #39

good lord oberliner.... Israeli Aug 2013 #34

You don't trust the Palestinians to protect Jews in a future Palestine. Why? n/t shira Aug 2013 #38

because I'm a realist shira ... Israeli Aug 2013 #41

You expect them to do to the Jews what they did in the Ramallah lynching? shira Aug 2013 #42

its a possibility .. Israeli Aug 2013 #44

All of them? oberliner Aug 2013 #43

sure oberliner.... Israeli Aug 2013 #45

I very much doubt it oberliner Aug 2013 #48

I think its bizarre that you think .... Israeli Aug 2013 #53

That is sad oberliner Aug 2013 #56

In addition to what another poster has said azurnoir Aug 2013 #47

My point is that the Palestinians won't kill them oberliner Aug 2013 #49

Really? Shaktimaan Aug 2013 #54

That is very rare oberliner Aug 2013 #57

That's up in the air. delrem Aug 2013 #59

Agree and disagree oberliner Aug 2013 #60

If they stay, they SHOULD relinquish Israeli citizenship. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #73

Agreed oberliner Aug 2013 #76

And no one would stop them doing that. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #80

Agreed again oberliner Aug 2013 #88

Arik did not invent the settlement movement Ken .... Israeli Aug 2013 #84

I respectfully stand corrected on the point. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #91

wouldn't they then be sabbat hunter Jul 2013 #9

Israeli by heritage, Palestinian by citizenship perhaps oberliner Aug 2013 #27

w.t.f. "heritage" goes back to 1947, but whose actual delrem Aug 2013 #28

That's nearly 70 years oberliner Aug 2013 #31

So, your family lineage in the US delrem Aug 2013 #33

Uh, no oberliner Aug 2013 #36

Yes, I wasn't thinking. Being too reactive. delrem Aug 2013 #50

Thank you oberliner Aug 2013 #51

You earned it. delrem Aug 2013 #52

I'm not a fan of ignore oberliner Aug 2013 #55

Ignore is a last resort. delrem Aug 2013 #58

I hear ya oberliner Aug 2013 #61

many of them are russians shaayecanaan Aug 2013 #32

Yes, indeed oberliner Aug 2013 #46

I'd treat them very cautiously. delrem Aug 2013 #26

You mean settler thieves like this guy? shira Aug 2013 #40

I can think of several reasons. aranthus Aug 2013 #135

The bottom 3 oberliner Aug 2013 #136

Perhaps. aranthus Aug 2013 #137

What if they had to sign a loyalty oath? oberliner Aug 2013 #139

I don't think that would suffice. aranthus Aug 2013 #191

The fact that Jews won't be protected, much less allowed to live there..... shira Aug 2013 #217

Yes and no. aranthus Aug 2013 #232

If the Palestinians were interested in making peace with the Jewish state.... shira Aug 2013 #233

+10000000 bravenak Jul 2013 #5

So you agree with Abbas, no Jews in a future Palestine? n/t shira Jul 2013 #6

They would be Palestinians. bravenak Jul 2013 #19

He said Israelis . bravenak Jul 2013 #20

Stop playing games and prevaricating.... shira Jul 2013 #21

Stop playing games ? bravenak Jul 2013 #22

Look it up... It's illegal for Palestinians to sell land to Jews... shira Jul 2013 #23

okay shira want to tell us againm about how your all for a 2 state solution? azurnoir Aug 2013 #29

We should all be for a healthier, more progressive Palestine shira Aug 2013 #37

so your saying an occupied Palestine is better than an independent Palestine? azurnoir Aug 2013 #63

Occupation beats Hamastan but doesn't beat a more progressive democracy. shira Aug 2013 #68

but we aren't talking about Gaza though are we? n/t azurnoir Aug 2013 #70

Occupation didn't stop Gaza from becoming "Hamastan" Ken Burch Aug 2013 #147

Abbas wants every last Jew gone. When India and Pakistan separated, millions of Muslims.... shira Jul 2013 #24

False equivalency the situation between India/Pakistan is not the same as Israel/Palestine azurnoir Aug 2013 #222

There's no false equivalency. That was a religious war every bit as much.... shira Aug 2013 #224

very false equivelency shira as neither Hindu's or Muslims were colonial occupiers azurnoir Aug 2013 #225

The conflict began prior to 1948 when the indigenous Jews weren't being called..... shira Aug 2013 #226

still you are using what happened in India as comparison of Israel/Palestine today azurnoir Aug 2013 #227

You're pretending the conflict began in 1967. Tsk, tsk.... shira Aug 2013 #228

I'm pretty sure we're dealing with right now today :) azurnoir Aug 2013 #229

You're pretending the Arabs were fighting colonialism, occupation, settlements.... shira Aug 2013 #230

I assume this includes Israeli companies like Ahava and Sodastream Mosby Jul 2013 #7

Can you imagine if an Israeli leader said that about Palestinians within Israel ? nt King_David Jul 2013 #11

Israelis have said such things oberliner Jul 2013 #13

The leader ? King_David Jul 2013 #15

Shamir was in the ballpark oberliner Jul 2013 #16

the deputy leader ? Israeli Aug 2013 #35

A week later & not a peep from "anti-racists" who howl when an Israeli.... shira Aug 2013 #62

Fail we're all over this thread azurnoir Aug 2013 #64

Criticizing the future racist Palestine? Where? n/t shira Aug 2013 #66

because we're agreeing with you I see azurnoir Aug 2013 #69

Like I wrote earlier, not one pro-Palestinian, anti-racist/apartheid screeching.... shira Aug 2013 #71

first off there was a major typo in my title line but that didn't stop a screechy rant azurnoir Aug 2013 #83

Nowhere was it hinted refugees would eventually become Palestinian citizens.... shira Aug 2013 #85

nice try here is what he said azurnoir Aug 2013 #92

So the PA plan for taking all refugees in is........? shira Aug 2013 #143

Does he actually mean Israeli? oberliner Aug 2013 #65

He means Jews. Just like land sales are forbidden to Jews in Palestine.... shira Aug 2013 #67

Which contradicts what Fayyad said just a few years ago oberliner Aug 2013 #77

so is that what the article at shira's link said? Because I read something else entirely azurnoir Aug 2013 #82

I don't know oberliner Aug 2013 #87

Why SHOULD he be ok with letting Israeli citizens live in a Palestinian state? Ken Burch Aug 2013 #72

Ken, you're now contradicting a position you just made last week.... shira Aug 2013 #74

No contradiction. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #81

Yeah, right.... And the thousands of Israeli Arabs in settlements now? shira Aug 2013 #86

Most of them would prefer to be Palestinian. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #90

How do you know? You make one ridiculous statement after another.... shira Aug 2013 #95

Stop saying I support things you know perfectly well I don't support. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #103

Abbas' US Ambassador said the same thing in 2011... shira Aug 2013 #111

No one would ever have a natural preference to be a minority in one society Ken Burch Aug 2013 #120

No one? If one society is free with civil rights for all, while the other.... shira Aug 2013 #124

The issue isn't "Jews"...the issue is Israeli citizens Ken Burch Aug 2013 #140

No, of course you don't have issues with Jews.... shira Aug 2013 #142

I have no connections to the Palestinian leadership and I'm not responsible for them Ken Burch Aug 2013 #145

Then don't whitewash their bigotry and hatred shira Aug 2013 #146

There's as much bloodshed now as there ever was. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #148

And when there's even more bloodshed after your "peace" plan is carried out shira Aug 2013 #151

The root cause is NOT antisemitism, and it never has been. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #157

Sure it is & it goes back to Hitler's favorite Palestinian Mufti.... shira Aug 2013 #163

Using the Mufti to demonize all Palestinians Ken Burch Aug 2013 #165

Using the Mufti helps explain the current Palestinian leadership.... shira Aug 2013 #172

No, no, no...you don't get to do that. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #173

No, obviously you don't have a problem with a Jew-free Palestine... shira Aug 2013 #174

You make it sound like I could actually HELP get rid of the bad leaders in Palestine. I can't. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #175

You can't even admit now that Abbas is calling for a Jew-free Palestine.... shira Aug 2013 #181

* sigh * Israeli Aug 2013 #144

Oh no shira hears every word IMO azurnoir Aug 2013 #169

Yes, I get it that you're against any and all criticism of Hamas, the PLO.... shira Aug 2013 #171

"No Israeli citizen has any legitimate reason to live in the West Bank" oberliner Aug 2013 #75

And that quote at the bottom was NOT calling for a "Jew-free Palestine"(in your inflammatory phrase) Ken Burch Aug 2013 #79

Oh ok oberliner Aug 2013 #89

Thousands of Israeli Arabs live in settlements right now. They have no legit.... shira Aug 2013 #78

Pisgat Zeev is a neighborhood in the city of East Jerusalem azurnoir Aug 2013 #97

So? What's your point? This "Jewish" settlement has > 1500 Arabs who chose to move there. n/t shira Aug 2013 #99

you mean a neighborhood in the city of East Jerusalem has 1500 Arabs or did 6 years ago :) azurnoir Aug 2013 #100

The settlement/neighborhood was empty prior to annexation. n/t shira Aug 2013 #102

empty of who? and what annexation? azurnoir Aug 2013 #105

Can't stand the fact Arabs have been moving into "Jewish" settlements? shira Aug 2013 #107

Arabs moved into a an East Jerusalem neighborhood nothing more or less azurnoir Aug 2013 #109

Arabs are free to move into any "Jewish" settlement. And they do.... shira Aug 2013 #113

so Palestinians can move to Itamar righttttt shira azurnoir Aug 2013 #114

Any Palestinian within Israel or Jerusalem can, of course. Why not? shira Aug 2013 #117

that years old incident involved IDF 'saving' a woman, not the woman living in Itamar azurnoir Aug 2013 #118

not I for one Israeli Aug 2013 #121

Got a link for that hebrew wikipedia on the demographics within settlements? shira Aug 2013 #123

go find it yourself shira ... Israeli Aug 2013 #126

Interesting that you had no idea thousands of Arabs lived in settlements... shira Aug 2013 #128

laugh at you shira ... Israeli Aug 2013 #129

One must wonder why someone especially someone who claims to so support a 2 state solution azurnoir Aug 2013 #93

972mag articles are inflammatory oberliner Aug 2013 #94

Reuters had to retract its original because it claimed Abbas said "final solution" azurnoir Aug 2013 #110

The article I posted says "final resolution" oberliner Aug 2013 #134

Oh, so any criticism of Abbas and his racism is anti-Palestinian bigotry/incitement? shira Aug 2013 #96

A hearsay quote that we're told was said to Egyptian reporters is sensationalism azurnoir Aug 2013 #98

But he said the same thing before, which you also denied. His US Ambassador said..... shira Aug 2013 #101

what are you talking about? azurnoir Aug 2013 #104

Jew-free Palestine. Abbas said the same thing 3 years ago & you cried bullshit.... shira Aug 2013 #106

post the quote with a link azurnoir Aug 2013 #108

See above #111 to Ken. n/t shira Aug 2013 #112

Nope I'm not going on a chase post it to me or we'll assume you can't :) azurnoir Aug 2013 #115

Again #111 to Ken above, and here's the link shira Aug 2013 #116

completely different links nowonder you wouldn't post them azurnoir Aug 2013 #119

Still denying clear evidence PA leadership wants all Jews out of Palestine? n/t shira Aug 2013 #122

I concede that that the Plestinians want the Israelis out of Palestine azurnoir Aug 2013 #125

How about Maen Areikat, who specifically said no Jews in 2011? shira Aug 2013 #127

How many non-Israeli Jews live in Palestine shira? Are they neighbors of the Arabs in Itamar? :) azurnoir Aug 2013 #130

So you maintain that what Abbas' US Ambassador said is different.... shira Aug 2013 #131

once again shira how many non-Israeli Jews live in the West Bank? azurnoir Aug 2013 #132

None that I know of, so? Do you at least oppose a Jew-free Palestine? n/t shira Aug 2013 #133

so IOW's the military/settler occupiers of Palestine are Israeli's who also happen to be Jews azurnoir Aug 2013 #138

Abbas' UN Ambassador said no Jews. He was very specific.... shira Aug 2013 #141

what NATO forces but please post more years old 'quotes' azurnoir Aug 2013 #149

Abbas wants the land cleansed of ALL Jews, even those within a NATO force... shira Aug 2013 #150

again what Nato forces would those be? but what has become abundently obvious is that azurnoir Aug 2013 #153

Obviously, NATO forces Abbas would be good with in a final deal. shira Aug 2013 #162

so finally you admit you really do not support a Palestinian State at all azurnoir Aug 2013 #167

I support a pluralistic, more liberal Palestinian state... shira Aug 2013 #170

So where can you point me to a quote from Abbas stating Jews will be..... shira Aug 2013 #220

again shira how many non-Jewish Israeli's live in the West Bank? azurnoir Aug 2013 #221

You know "no-Israelis" = "no-Jews" in Palestine. Why the lies? shira Aug 2013 #223

I keep wondering why you keep this up Why is keeping this thread kicked so very important to you azurnoir Aug 2013 #234

So his NATO comment means nothing? His US Ambassador admitting a no-Jews policy.... shira Aug 2013 #235

and didn't Israel make the man who murdred a UN ngotiator PM? azurnoir Aug 2013 #236

You're defending Abbas' vile antisemitism.... shira Aug 2013 #237

Oh yeah, I forgot. Abbas is now honoring proud butchers of Holocaust survivors.... shira Aug 2013 #231

If he means that former Israeli citizens would not be welcomed as Palestinian citizens, that's wrong David__77 Aug 2013 #152

Former Israeli citizens? how would that come about? azurnoir Aug 2013 #154

No, but I assume that a state of Palestine might not allow dual citizenship. David__77 Aug 2013 #155

do you honestly think that settlers staying in Palestine would renounce their Israeli citizenship? azurnoir Aug 2013 #156

Well then, that wouldn't be a Palestinian state, would it? David__77 Aug 2013 #158

I think that has been my point all along azurnoir Aug 2013 #159

I think we are in agreement. David__77 Aug 2013 #160

I think they would also have to agree to a stipulation, delrem Aug 2013 #166

Yes, Abbas' stance is truly immoral. His US Ambassador admitted as much... shira Aug 2013 #161

How sad, and sectarian. David__77 Aug 2013 #164

how on Earth could such people especially ones that would elect Abbas ever deserve a state right? azurnoir Aug 2013 #168

There will not be a treaty of any kind, because Israel does not want peace. PDJane Aug 2013 #176

There are no "jews-only roads" oberliner Aug 2013 #177

Sure, right, of course not. Just roads that are jews only while the Palestinians wait. PDJane Aug 2013 #178

Those roads are open to all Israelis, including the 20% who are Arabs.... shira Aug 2013 #185

Yes, I am well aware of that. I consider that splitting hairs. PDJane Aug 2013 #192

Well Palestinians drove on them all they wanted before Intifada 2.... shira Aug 2013 #195

That's not the case. And, by the way, Intifada II was and remains a legal insurgency against an PDJane Aug 2013 #198

redefining words again? pelsar Aug 2013 #202

Before the mass waves of terror attacks after Oslo, there was free movement.... shira Aug 2013 #204

No more than I think it's right to murder Palestinians. PDJane Aug 2013 #239

But you support the Palestinians' "legal insurgency".... shira Aug 2013 #240

I oppose the murder of people. I oppose war. I oppose the occupation of Palestine PDJane Aug 2013 #241

When u say Palestinians have every right to a legal insurgency vs. Israel..... shira Aug 2013 #243

Oh, bullpucky. PDJane Aug 2013 #244

Cut the BS about legit resistance and legal insurgencies.... shira Aug 2013 #245

Because Jewish lives are more important? Or is there some other reason???? PDJane Aug 2013 #246

More important than what? The deliberate targeted murder of any innocents.... shira Aug 2013 #247

Because it is their land. Not Israel's. Period. PDJane Aug 2013 #248

WOW. n/t shira Aug 2013 #249

You're surprised? n/t aranthus Aug 2013 #250

Just fascinated, that's all. In the last week alone here.... shira Aug 2013 #251

Sure it was the case as the facts contradict you . Palestinians in fact could pretty Dick Dastardly Aug 2013 #242

semantics oberliner Israeli Aug 2013 #179

facts are facts.... pelsar Aug 2013 #180

It has nothing to do with religion....!!!! Israeli Aug 2013 #182

try culture...... pelsar Aug 2013 #183

your past and Israeli Aug 2013 #187

so you were born in israel....you get two points for that pelsar Aug 2013 #201

thank you pelsar ..... Israeli Aug 2013 #203

'what we do in West Bank is worse than all pogroms' oberliner Aug 2013 #184

no answer to " semantics oberliner " ? /nt Israeli Aug 2013 #188

There are no Jewish-only roads oberliner Aug 2013 #190

Disingenuous wordplay from you.... shira Aug 2013 #205

Nothing " Disingenuous " about the truth shira Israeli Aug 2013 #238

You wrote...."there are no non-Jewish settlers". But you just learned about them.... shira Aug 2013 #186

azurnoir answered that for you shira /nt Israeli Aug 2013 #189

shira you presented us the fact that Arabs are allowed to live in East Jerusalem azurnoir Aug 2013 #193

They're major "Jewish" settlements. As the video and article shows.... shira Aug 2013 #194

They are neighborhoods in East Jerusalem as is shown nothing more azurnoir Aug 2013 #196

So settlements hugging the line around Jerusalem don't count as "Jewish".... shira Aug 2013 #197

Pisgat Ze'ev is an East Jerusalem neighborhood shira azurnoir Aug 2013 #199

Hmmm, I wonder if there are any others like you who don't consider these towns settlements shira Aug 2013 #206

I am pointing out that becuse Arabs are allowed to live in a single 'Jewish' neighborhood azurnoir Aug 2013 #210

No, you're the only one it seems who says these towns are not settlements.... shira Aug 2013 #212

They are called settlements and ilegal because they are built on land that azurnoir Aug 2013 #214

So any Israeli Arabs who choose to move in are settlers by definition? shira Aug 2013 #216

How many times are you going to post about Israeli citizens being allowed to live in East Jerusalem azurnoir Aug 2013 #218

So Arabs living in settlements are illegal settlers. Yes or No? n/t shira Aug 2013 #219

and about Ariel which again you attempt to mislead us on azurnoir Aug 2013 #200

So Ariel is a settlement where hundreds of Arabs choose to live, right? n/t shira Aug 2013 #207

says nothing about live, 600 out of 14,000 Israeli student are Israeli citizens who are Arabs azurnoir Aug 2013 #208

Funny how you bash Israel for welcoming any Arabs to live anywhere they wish.... shira Aug 2013 #209

what on Earth are you talking about? azurnoir Aug 2013 #211

LOL. Keep trucking! n/t shira Aug 2013 #213

I intend to and you do the sam okay? :) azurnoir Aug 2013 #215