Israel/Palestine

shira

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231. Oh yeah, I forgot. Abbas is now honoring proud butchers of Holocaust survivors....

Tue Aug 13, 2013, 10:28 PM

Aug 2013

...who were just let out of Israeli prisons. Think there's any chance of Abbas stating FTR that the deliberate murder of elderly Jewish Holocaust survivors is a bad thing?

Any chance at all?

I say chances are slim to none, and slim never came to town...

No chance Abbas shows any regret or condolences for Jews deliberately targeted by his "freedom fighters" for being......ready for it? JEWS! The same Jews who won't be welcome in a Palestinian state.

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Abbas wants 'not a single Israeli' in future Palestinian state [View all] oberliner Jul 2013 OP

Well, that certainly looks promising... nt COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #1

How shocking azurnoir Jul 2013 #2

Why can't Israelis stay if they are willing to live under Palestinian law? oberliner Jul 2013 #3

a couple of questions azurnoir Jul 2013 #4

Answers oberliner Jul 2013 #8

what 'peace treaty' there is none yet azurnoir Jul 2013 #10

The one Abbas is talking about? oberliner Jul 2013 #12

Oh so only Abbas is talking about peace® and that is what we call negotiating? azurnoir Jul 2013 #14

The OP is based on a quote from Abbas oberliner Jul 2013 #17

Not just Hebron. No Jews allowed to live in Palestinian Jerusalem either.... shira Jul 2013 #18

Palestinian Jerusalem oberliner Aug 2013 #25

so you believe the Israeli settlers in Hebron should remain? azurnoir Aug 2013 #30

What if they wish to remain as Palestinian citizens? You against that? n/t shira Aug 2013 #39

good lord oberliner.... Israeli Aug 2013 #34

You don't trust the Palestinians to protect Jews in a future Palestine. Why? n/t shira Aug 2013 #38

because I'm a realist shira ... Israeli Aug 2013 #41

You expect them to do to the Jews what they did in the Ramallah lynching? shira Aug 2013 #42

its a possibility .. Israeli Aug 2013 #44

All of them? oberliner Aug 2013 #43

sure oberliner.... Israeli Aug 2013 #45

I very much doubt it oberliner Aug 2013 #48

I think its bizarre that you think .... Israeli Aug 2013 #53

That is sad oberliner Aug 2013 #56

In addition to what another poster has said azurnoir Aug 2013 #47

My point is that the Palestinians won't kill them oberliner Aug 2013 #49

Really? Shaktimaan Aug 2013 #54

That is very rare oberliner Aug 2013 #57

That's up in the air. delrem Aug 2013 #59

Agree and disagree oberliner Aug 2013 #60

If they stay, they SHOULD relinquish Israeli citizenship. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #73

Agreed oberliner Aug 2013 #76

And no one would stop them doing that. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #80

Agreed again oberliner Aug 2013 #88

Arik did not invent the settlement movement Ken .... Israeli Aug 2013 #84

I respectfully stand corrected on the point. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #91

wouldn't they then be sabbat hunter Jul 2013 #9

Israeli by heritage, Palestinian by citizenship perhaps oberliner Aug 2013 #27

w.t.f. "heritage" goes back to 1947, but whose actual delrem Aug 2013 #28

That's nearly 70 years oberliner Aug 2013 #31

So, your family lineage in the US delrem Aug 2013 #33

Uh, no oberliner Aug 2013 #36

Yes, I wasn't thinking. Being too reactive. delrem Aug 2013 #50

Thank you oberliner Aug 2013 #51

You earned it. delrem Aug 2013 #52

I'm not a fan of ignore oberliner Aug 2013 #55

Ignore is a last resort. delrem Aug 2013 #58

I hear ya oberliner Aug 2013 #61

many of them are russians shaayecanaan Aug 2013 #32

Yes, indeed oberliner Aug 2013 #46

I'd treat them very cautiously. delrem Aug 2013 #26

You mean settler thieves like this guy? shira Aug 2013 #40

I can think of several reasons. aranthus Aug 2013 #135

The bottom 3 oberliner Aug 2013 #136

Perhaps. aranthus Aug 2013 #137

What if they had to sign a loyalty oath? oberliner Aug 2013 #139

I don't think that would suffice. aranthus Aug 2013 #191

The fact that Jews won't be protected, much less allowed to live there..... shira Aug 2013 #217

Yes and no. aranthus Aug 2013 #232

If the Palestinians were interested in making peace with the Jewish state.... shira Aug 2013 #233

+10000000 bravenak Jul 2013 #5

So you agree with Abbas, no Jews in a future Palestine? n/t shira Jul 2013 #6

They would be Palestinians. bravenak Jul 2013 #19

He said Israelis . bravenak Jul 2013 #20

Stop playing games and prevaricating.... shira Jul 2013 #21

Stop playing games ? bravenak Jul 2013 #22

Look it up... It's illegal for Palestinians to sell land to Jews... shira Jul 2013 #23

okay shira want to tell us againm about how your all for a 2 state solution? azurnoir Aug 2013 #29

We should all be for a healthier, more progressive Palestine shira Aug 2013 #37

so your saying an occupied Palestine is better than an independent Palestine? azurnoir Aug 2013 #63

Occupation beats Hamastan but doesn't beat a more progressive democracy. shira Aug 2013 #68

but we aren't talking about Gaza though are we? n/t azurnoir Aug 2013 #70

Occupation didn't stop Gaza from becoming "Hamastan" Ken Burch Aug 2013 #147

Abbas wants every last Jew gone. When India and Pakistan separated, millions of Muslims.... shira Jul 2013 #24

False equivalency the situation between India/Pakistan is not the same as Israel/Palestine azurnoir Aug 2013 #222

There's no false equivalency. That was a religious war every bit as much.... shira Aug 2013 #224

very false equivelency shira as neither Hindu's or Muslims were colonial occupiers azurnoir Aug 2013 #225

The conflict began prior to 1948 when the indigenous Jews weren't being called..... shira Aug 2013 #226

still you are using what happened in India as comparison of Israel/Palestine today azurnoir Aug 2013 #227

You're pretending the conflict began in 1967. Tsk, tsk.... shira Aug 2013 #228

I'm pretty sure we're dealing with right now today :) azurnoir Aug 2013 #229

You're pretending the Arabs were fighting colonialism, occupation, settlements.... shira Aug 2013 #230

I assume this includes Israeli companies like Ahava and Sodastream Mosby Jul 2013 #7

Can you imagine if an Israeli leader said that about Palestinians within Israel ? nt King_David Jul 2013 #11

Israelis have said such things oberliner Jul 2013 #13

The leader ? King_David Jul 2013 #15

Shamir was in the ballpark oberliner Jul 2013 #16

the deputy leader ? Israeli Aug 2013 #35

A week later & not a peep from "anti-racists" who howl when an Israeli.... shira Aug 2013 #62

Fail we're all over this thread azurnoir Aug 2013 #64

Criticizing the future racist Palestine? Where? n/t shira Aug 2013 #66

because we're agreeing with you I see azurnoir Aug 2013 #69

Like I wrote earlier, not one pro-Palestinian, anti-racist/apartheid screeching.... shira Aug 2013 #71

first off there was a major typo in my title line but that didn't stop a screechy rant azurnoir Aug 2013 #83

Nowhere was it hinted refugees would eventually become Palestinian citizens.... shira Aug 2013 #85

nice try here is what he said azurnoir Aug 2013 #92

So the PA plan for taking all refugees in is........? shira Aug 2013 #143

Does he actually mean Israeli? oberliner Aug 2013 #65

He means Jews. Just like land sales are forbidden to Jews in Palestine.... shira Aug 2013 #67

Which contradicts what Fayyad said just a few years ago oberliner Aug 2013 #77

so is that what the article at shira's link said? Because I read something else entirely azurnoir Aug 2013 #82

I don't know oberliner Aug 2013 #87

Why SHOULD he be ok with letting Israeli citizens live in a Palestinian state? Ken Burch Aug 2013 #72

Ken, you're now contradicting a position you just made last week.... shira Aug 2013 #74

No contradiction. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #81

Yeah, right.... And the thousands of Israeli Arabs in settlements now? shira Aug 2013 #86

Most of them would prefer to be Palestinian. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #90

How do you know? You make one ridiculous statement after another.... shira Aug 2013 #95

Stop saying I support things you know perfectly well I don't support. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #103

Abbas' US Ambassador said the same thing in 2011... shira Aug 2013 #111

No one would ever have a natural preference to be a minority in one society Ken Burch Aug 2013 #120

No one? If one society is free with civil rights for all, while the other.... shira Aug 2013 #124

The issue isn't "Jews"...the issue is Israeli citizens Ken Burch Aug 2013 #140

No, of course you don't have issues with Jews.... shira Aug 2013 #142

I have no connections to the Palestinian leadership and I'm not responsible for them Ken Burch Aug 2013 #145

Then don't whitewash their bigotry and hatred shira Aug 2013 #146

There's as much bloodshed now as there ever was. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #148

And when there's even more bloodshed after your "peace" plan is carried out shira Aug 2013 #151

The root cause is NOT antisemitism, and it never has been. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #157

Sure it is & it goes back to Hitler's favorite Palestinian Mufti.... shira Aug 2013 #163

Using the Mufti to demonize all Palestinians Ken Burch Aug 2013 #165

Using the Mufti helps explain the current Palestinian leadership.... shira Aug 2013 #172

No, no, no...you don't get to do that. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #173

No, obviously you don't have a problem with a Jew-free Palestine... shira Aug 2013 #174

You make it sound like I could actually HELP get rid of the bad leaders in Palestine. I can't. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #175

You can't even admit now that Abbas is calling for a Jew-free Palestine.... shira Aug 2013 #181

* sigh * Israeli Aug 2013 #144

Oh no shira hears every word IMO azurnoir Aug 2013 #169

Yes, I get it that you're against any and all criticism of Hamas, the PLO.... shira Aug 2013 #171

"No Israeli citizen has any legitimate reason to live in the West Bank" oberliner Aug 2013 #75

And that quote at the bottom was NOT calling for a "Jew-free Palestine"(in your inflammatory phrase) Ken Burch Aug 2013 #79

Oh ok oberliner Aug 2013 #89

Thousands of Israeli Arabs live in settlements right now. They have no legit.... shira Aug 2013 #78

Pisgat Zeev is a neighborhood in the city of East Jerusalem azurnoir Aug 2013 #97

So? What's your point? This "Jewish" settlement has > 1500 Arabs who chose to move there. n/t shira Aug 2013 #99

you mean a neighborhood in the city of East Jerusalem has 1500 Arabs or did 6 years ago :) azurnoir Aug 2013 #100

The settlement/neighborhood was empty prior to annexation. n/t shira Aug 2013 #102

empty of who? and what annexation? azurnoir Aug 2013 #105

Can't stand the fact Arabs have been moving into "Jewish" settlements? shira Aug 2013 #107

Arabs moved into a an East Jerusalem neighborhood nothing more or less azurnoir Aug 2013 #109

Arabs are free to move into any "Jewish" settlement. And they do.... shira Aug 2013 #113

so Palestinians can move to Itamar righttttt shira azurnoir Aug 2013 #114

Any Palestinian within Israel or Jerusalem can, of course. Why not? shira Aug 2013 #117

that years old incident involved IDF 'saving' a woman, not the woman living in Itamar azurnoir Aug 2013 #118

not I for one Israeli Aug 2013 #121

Got a link for that hebrew wikipedia on the demographics within settlements? shira Aug 2013 #123

go find it yourself shira ... Israeli Aug 2013 #126

Interesting that you had no idea thousands of Arabs lived in settlements... shira Aug 2013 #128

laugh at you shira ... Israeli Aug 2013 #129

One must wonder why someone especially someone who claims to so support a 2 state solution azurnoir Aug 2013 #93

972mag articles are inflammatory oberliner Aug 2013 #94

Reuters had to retract its original because it claimed Abbas said "final solution" azurnoir Aug 2013 #110

The article I posted says "final resolution" oberliner Aug 2013 #134

Oh, so any criticism of Abbas and his racism is anti-Palestinian bigotry/incitement? shira Aug 2013 #96

A hearsay quote that we're told was said to Egyptian reporters is sensationalism azurnoir Aug 2013 #98

But he said the same thing before, which you also denied. His US Ambassador said..... shira Aug 2013 #101

what are you talking about? azurnoir Aug 2013 #104

Jew-free Palestine. Abbas said the same thing 3 years ago & you cried bullshit.... shira Aug 2013 #106

post the quote with a link azurnoir Aug 2013 #108

See above #111 to Ken. n/t shira Aug 2013 #112

Nope I'm not going on a chase post it to me or we'll assume you can't :) azurnoir Aug 2013 #115

Again #111 to Ken above, and here's the link shira Aug 2013 #116

completely different links nowonder you wouldn't post them azurnoir Aug 2013 #119

Still denying clear evidence PA leadership wants all Jews out of Palestine? n/t shira Aug 2013 #122

I concede that that the Plestinians want the Israelis out of Palestine azurnoir Aug 2013 #125

How about Maen Areikat, who specifically said no Jews in 2011? shira Aug 2013 #127

How many non-Israeli Jews live in Palestine shira? Are they neighbors of the Arabs in Itamar? :) azurnoir Aug 2013 #130

So you maintain that what Abbas' US Ambassador said is different.... shira Aug 2013 #131

once again shira how many non-Israeli Jews live in the West Bank? azurnoir Aug 2013 #132

None that I know of, so? Do you at least oppose a Jew-free Palestine? n/t shira Aug 2013 #133

so IOW's the military/settler occupiers of Palestine are Israeli's who also happen to be Jews azurnoir Aug 2013 #138

Abbas' UN Ambassador said no Jews. He was very specific.... shira Aug 2013 #141

what NATO forces but please post more years old 'quotes' azurnoir Aug 2013 #149

Abbas wants the land cleansed of ALL Jews, even those within a NATO force... shira Aug 2013 #150

again what Nato forces would those be? but what has become abundently obvious is that azurnoir Aug 2013 #153

Obviously, NATO forces Abbas would be good with in a final deal. shira Aug 2013 #162

so finally you admit you really do not support a Palestinian State at all azurnoir Aug 2013 #167

I support a pluralistic, more liberal Palestinian state... shira Aug 2013 #170

So where can you point me to a quote from Abbas stating Jews will be..... shira Aug 2013 #220

again shira how many non-Jewish Israeli's live in the West Bank? azurnoir Aug 2013 #221

You know "no-Israelis" = "no-Jews" in Palestine. Why the lies? shira Aug 2013 #223

I keep wondering why you keep this up Why is keeping this thread kicked so very important to you azurnoir Aug 2013 #234

So his NATO comment means nothing? His US Ambassador admitting a no-Jews policy.... shira Aug 2013 #235

and didn't Israel make the man who murdred a UN ngotiator PM? azurnoir Aug 2013 #236

You're defending Abbas' vile antisemitism.... shira Aug 2013 #237

Oh yeah, I forgot. Abbas is now honoring proud butchers of Holocaust survivors.... shira Aug 2013 #231

If he means that former Israeli citizens would not be welcomed as Palestinian citizens, that's wrong David__77 Aug 2013 #152

Former Israeli citizens? how would that come about? azurnoir Aug 2013 #154

No, but I assume that a state of Palestine might not allow dual citizenship. David__77 Aug 2013 #155

do you honestly think that settlers staying in Palestine would renounce their Israeli citizenship? azurnoir Aug 2013 #156

Well then, that wouldn't be a Palestinian state, would it? David__77 Aug 2013 #158

I think that has been my point all along azurnoir Aug 2013 #159

I think we are in agreement. David__77 Aug 2013 #160

I think they would also have to agree to a stipulation, delrem Aug 2013 #166

Yes, Abbas' stance is truly immoral. His US Ambassador admitted as much... shira Aug 2013 #161

How sad, and sectarian. David__77 Aug 2013 #164

how on Earth could such people especially ones that would elect Abbas ever deserve a state right? azurnoir Aug 2013 #168

There will not be a treaty of any kind, because Israel does not want peace. PDJane Aug 2013 #176

There are no "jews-only roads" oberliner Aug 2013 #177

Sure, right, of course not. Just roads that are jews only while the Palestinians wait. PDJane Aug 2013 #178

Those roads are open to all Israelis, including the 20% who are Arabs.... shira Aug 2013 #185

Yes, I am well aware of that. I consider that splitting hairs. PDJane Aug 2013 #192

Well Palestinians drove on them all they wanted before Intifada 2.... shira Aug 2013 #195

That's not the case. And, by the way, Intifada II was and remains a legal insurgency against an PDJane Aug 2013 #198

redefining words again? pelsar Aug 2013 #202

Before the mass waves of terror attacks after Oslo, there was free movement.... shira Aug 2013 #204

No more than I think it's right to murder Palestinians. PDJane Aug 2013 #239

But you support the Palestinians' "legal insurgency".... shira Aug 2013 #240

I oppose the murder of people. I oppose war. I oppose the occupation of Palestine PDJane Aug 2013 #241

When u say Palestinians have every right to a legal insurgency vs. Israel..... shira Aug 2013 #243

Oh, bullpucky. PDJane Aug 2013 #244

Cut the BS about legit resistance and legal insurgencies.... shira Aug 2013 #245

Because Jewish lives are more important? Or is there some other reason???? PDJane Aug 2013 #246

More important than what? The deliberate targeted murder of any innocents.... shira Aug 2013 #247

Because it is their land. Not Israel's. Period. PDJane Aug 2013 #248

WOW. n/t shira Aug 2013 #249

You're surprised? n/t aranthus Aug 2013 #250

Just fascinated, that's all. In the last week alone here.... shira Aug 2013 #251

Sure it was the case as the facts contradict you . Palestinians in fact could pretty Dick Dastardly Aug 2013 #242

semantics oberliner Israeli Aug 2013 #179

facts are facts.... pelsar Aug 2013 #180

It has nothing to do with religion....!!!! Israeli Aug 2013 #182

try culture...... pelsar Aug 2013 #183

your past and Israeli Aug 2013 #187

so you were born in israel....you get two points for that pelsar Aug 2013 #201

thank you pelsar ..... Israeli Aug 2013 #203

'what we do in West Bank is worse than all pogroms' oberliner Aug 2013 #184

no answer to " semantics oberliner " ? /nt Israeli Aug 2013 #188

There are no Jewish-only roads oberliner Aug 2013 #190

Disingenuous wordplay from you.... shira Aug 2013 #205

Nothing " Disingenuous " about the truth shira Israeli Aug 2013 #238

You wrote...."there are no non-Jewish settlers". But you just learned about them.... shira Aug 2013 #186

azurnoir answered that for you shira /nt Israeli Aug 2013 #189

shira you presented us the fact that Arabs are allowed to live in East Jerusalem azurnoir Aug 2013 #193

They're major "Jewish" settlements. As the video and article shows.... shira Aug 2013 #194

They are neighborhoods in East Jerusalem as is shown nothing more azurnoir Aug 2013 #196

So settlements hugging the line around Jerusalem don't count as "Jewish".... shira Aug 2013 #197

Pisgat Ze'ev is an East Jerusalem neighborhood shira azurnoir Aug 2013 #199

Hmmm, I wonder if there are any others like you who don't consider these towns settlements shira Aug 2013 #206

I am pointing out that becuse Arabs are allowed to live in a single 'Jewish' neighborhood azurnoir Aug 2013 #210

No, you're the only one it seems who says these towns are not settlements.... shira Aug 2013 #212

They are called settlements and ilegal because they are built on land that azurnoir Aug 2013 #214

So any Israeli Arabs who choose to move in are settlers by definition? shira Aug 2013 #216

How many times are you going to post about Israeli citizens being allowed to live in East Jerusalem azurnoir Aug 2013 #218

So Arabs living in settlements are illegal settlers. Yes or No? n/t shira Aug 2013 #219

and about Ariel which again you attempt to mislead us on azurnoir Aug 2013 #200

So Ariel is a settlement where hundreds of Arabs choose to live, right? n/t shira Aug 2013 #207

says nothing about live, 600 out of 14,000 Israeli student are Israeli citizens who are Arabs azurnoir Aug 2013 #208

Funny how you bash Israel for welcoming any Arabs to live anywhere they wish.... shira Aug 2013 #209

what on Earth are you talking about? azurnoir Aug 2013 #211

LOL. Keep trucking! n/t shira Aug 2013 #213

I intend to and you do the sam okay? :) azurnoir Aug 2013 #215