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In reply to the discussion: Abbas wants 'not a single Israeli' in future Palestinian state [View all]shira
(30,109 posts)111. Abbas' US Ambassador said the same thing in 2011...
When you imagine a future Palestinian state, do you imagine it being a place where Jews, if they wish to become Palestinian citizens, could own property, vote in elections, and practice their religion freely?
I remember in the mid-90s, the late [PLO official] Faisal Husseini said repeatedly [font color = "red"]OK, if Israelis choose to stay in a future Palestinian state, they are more than welcome to do that. But under one condition: They have to respect and obey Palestinian laws, they cannot be living as Israelis. They have to respect Palestinian laws and abide by them. When Faisal Husseini died, basically no Palestinian leader has publicly supported the notion that they can stay.[/font]
What we are saying is the following: We need to separate. We have to separate. We are in a forced marriage. We need to divorce. After we divorce, and everybody takes a period of time to recoup, rebound, whatever you want to call it, we may consider dating again.
So, you think it would be necessary to first transfer and remove every Jew
Absolutely. No, Im not saying to transfer every Jew, Im saying transfer Jews who, after an agreement with Israel, fall under the jurisdiction of a Palestinian state.
Any Jew who is inside the borders of Palestine will have to leave?
Absolutely. I think this is a very necessary step, before we can allow the two states to somehow develop their separate national identities, and then maybe open up the doors for all kinds of cultural, social, political, economic exchanges, that freedom of movement of both citizens of Israelis and Palestinians from one area to another. You know you have to think of the day after.
I remember in the mid-90s, the late [PLO official] Faisal Husseini said repeatedly [font color = "red"]OK, if Israelis choose to stay in a future Palestinian state, they are more than welcome to do that. But under one condition: They have to respect and obey Palestinian laws, they cannot be living as Israelis. They have to respect Palestinian laws and abide by them. When Faisal Husseini died, basically no Palestinian leader has publicly supported the notion that they can stay.[/font]
What we are saying is the following: We need to separate. We have to separate. We are in a forced marriage. We need to divorce. After we divorce, and everybody takes a period of time to recoup, rebound, whatever you want to call it, we may consider dating again.
So, you think it would be necessary to first transfer and remove every Jew
Absolutely. No, Im not saying to transfer every Jew, Im saying transfer Jews who, after an agreement with Israel, fall under the jurisdiction of a Palestinian state.
Any Jew who is inside the borders of Palestine will have to leave?
Absolutely. I think this is a very necessary step, before we can allow the two states to somehow develop their separate national identities, and then maybe open up the doors for all kinds of cultural, social, political, economic exchanges, that freedom of movement of both citizens of Israelis and Palestinians from one area to another. You know you have to think of the day after.
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/48834/qa-maen-areikat
Abbas also said the same thing back in 2010...
http://www.thejc.com/comment-and-debate/columnists/37008/no-outcry-abbass-racism
Speaking in Cairo on July 28, Abbas gave his version of negotiations with Israel's former Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert. In the course of his remarks, Abbas made a statement so astonishing that I quote it in full, as reported by Wafa, the official Palestinian news agency: "I'm willing to agree to a third party that would supervise the agreement, such as Nato forces, but I would not agree to having Jews among the Nato forces, or that there will live among us even a single Israeli on Palestinian land."
A week or so later, Abbas's political adviser, Nimar Hamad, no doubt realising the embarrassing insensitivity of these remarks, effected to issue a retraction, blaming unnamed American media for spreading the falsehood that the word "Jews" had ever been used.
But when I looked last Friday, the statement, including that word, was still on the Wafa website, and I understand that, in any case, some Arabic newspapers, such as Al-Quds (on July 30), had had no hesitation in reporting that it was "Jews" to whom Abbas had referred.
Apologists for the Palestinian position frequently assure me that when Arabs talk about Jews, and especially when they talk about Jews in negative terms, they usually mean Israelis.
Yet here we have the Palestinian President talking quite clearly about Jews - not Israelis - and declaring that he for his part will not tolerate a single Jew in any Nato force that might police the borders of an emergent Palestinian state.
A week or so later, Abbas's political adviser, Nimar Hamad, no doubt realising the embarrassing insensitivity of these remarks, effected to issue a retraction, blaming unnamed American media for spreading the falsehood that the word "Jews" had ever been used.
But when I looked last Friday, the statement, including that word, was still on the Wafa website, and I understand that, in any case, some Arabic newspapers, such as Al-Quds (on July 30), had had no hesitation in reporting that it was "Jews" to whom Abbas had referred.
Apologists for the Palestinian position frequently assure me that when Arabs talk about Jews, and especially when they talk about Jews in negative terms, they usually mean Israelis.
Yet here we have the Palestinian President talking quite clearly about Jews - not Israelis - and declaring that he for his part will not tolerate a single Jew in any Nato force that might police the borders of an emergent Palestinian state.
***This version was reprinted by Palestinian newspapers al-Quds and al-Hayat al-Jadida on July 30 and by other Arab newspapers.
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Oh so only Abbas is talking about peace® and that is what we call negotiating?
azurnoir
Jul 2013
#14
Abbas wants every last Jew gone. When India and Pakistan separated, millions of Muslims....
shira
Jul 2013
#24
False equivalency the situation between India/Pakistan is not the same as Israel/Palestine
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#222
very false equivelency shira as neither Hindu's or Muslims were colonial occupiers
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#225
The conflict began prior to 1948 when the indigenous Jews weren't being called.....
shira
Aug 2013
#226
still you are using what happened in India as comparison of Israel/Palestine today
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#227
You're pretending the Arabs were fighting colonialism, occupation, settlements....
shira
Aug 2013
#230
Can you imagine if an Israeli leader said that about Palestinians within Israel ? nt
King_David
Jul 2013
#11
Like I wrote earlier, not one pro-Palestinian, anti-racist/apartheid screeching....
shira
Aug 2013
#71
first off there was a major typo in my title line but that didn't stop a screechy rant
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#83
so is that what the article at shira's link said? Because I read something else entirely
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#82
Why SHOULD he be ok with letting Israeli citizens live in a Palestinian state?
Ken Burch
Aug 2013
#72
I have no connections to the Palestinian leadership and I'm not responsible for them
Ken Burch
Aug 2013
#145
You make it sound like I could actually HELP get rid of the bad leaders in Palestine. I can't.
Ken Burch
Aug 2013
#175
And that quote at the bottom was NOT calling for a "Jew-free Palestine"(in your inflammatory phrase)
Ken Burch
Aug 2013
#79
So? What's your point? This "Jewish" settlement has > 1500 Arabs who chose to move there. n/t
shira
Aug 2013
#99
you mean a neighborhood in the city of East Jerusalem has 1500 Arabs or did 6 years ago :)
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#100
that years old incident involved IDF 'saving' a woman, not the woman living in Itamar
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#118
One must wonder why someone especially someone who claims to so support a 2 state solution
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#93
Reuters had to retract its original because it claimed Abbas said "final solution"
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#110
Oh, so any criticism of Abbas and his racism is anti-Palestinian bigotry/incitement?
shira
Aug 2013
#96
A hearsay quote that we're told was said to Egyptian reporters is sensationalism
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#98
But he said the same thing before, which you also denied. His US Ambassador said.....
shira
Aug 2013
#101
Jew-free Palestine. Abbas said the same thing 3 years ago & you cried bullshit....
shira
Aug 2013
#106
How many non-Israeli Jews live in Palestine shira? Are they neighbors of the Arabs in Itamar? :)
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#130
so IOW's the military/settler occupiers of Palestine are Israeli's who also happen to be Jews
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#138
again what Nato forces would those be? but what has become abundently obvious is that
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#153
I keep wondering why you keep this up Why is keeping this thread kicked so very important to you
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#234
So his NATO comment means nothing? His US Ambassador admitting a no-Jews policy....
shira
Aug 2013
#235
Oh yeah, I forgot. Abbas is now honoring proud butchers of Holocaust survivors....
shira
Aug 2013
#231
If he means that former Israeli citizens would not be welcomed as Palestinian citizens, that's wrong
David__77
Aug 2013
#152
No, but I assume that a state of Palestine might not allow dual citizenship.
David__77
Aug 2013
#155
do you honestly think that settlers staying in Palestine would renounce their Israeli citizenship?
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#156
how on Earth could such people especially ones that would elect Abbas ever deserve a state right?
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#168
Sure, right, of course not. Just roads that are jews only while the Palestinians wait.
PDJane
Aug 2013
#178
That's not the case. And, by the way, Intifada II was and remains a legal insurgency against an
PDJane
Aug 2013
#198
I oppose the murder of people. I oppose war. I oppose the occupation of Palestine
PDJane
Aug 2013
#241
Sure it was the case as the facts contradict you . Palestinians in fact could pretty
Dick Dastardly
Aug 2013
#242
You wrote...."there are no non-Jewish settlers". But you just learned about them....
shira
Aug 2013
#186
shira you presented us the fact that Arabs are allowed to live in East Jerusalem
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#193
Hmmm, I wonder if there are any others like you who don't consider these towns settlements
shira
Aug 2013
#206
I am pointing out that becuse Arabs are allowed to live in a single 'Jewish' neighborhood
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#210
How many times are you going to post about Israeli citizens being allowed to live in East Jerusalem
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#218
says nothing about live, 600 out of 14,000 Israeli student are Israeli citizens who are Arabs
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#208
Funny how you bash Israel for welcoming any Arabs to live anywhere they wish....
shira
Aug 2013
#209