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In reply to the discussion: The Worst Argument Against The Apartheid Analogy [View all]Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)117. this is pretty funny. every one wrong.
Tell me, in all your time, have you ever seen someone who insists that Lebanon is above question?
Right. Because no one questions Israel... Suuure.
That Lebanon is a guiding light for good in the world?
In the Arab media, yes, of course. They are the closest thing to a democracy the entire region has next to Israel. Lebanon actually IS a model in many respects. Just not this one.
That no matter what, Lebanon is always right?
Has anyone ever argued this about Israel?
Have you ever seen anyone insisting, against all odds, against every piece of evidence, that the Palestinians not only deserve oppression by Lebanon, but are actually bettered by it?
Constantly. In fact that the exact argument given by the UNRWA for keeping them in camps and not allowing them full citizenship in any arab states. That it would make them complacent in asking for the Right of Return that Israel owes them. And that it would result in the loss of their unique Palestinian identity.
Have you ever seen anyone who insists that the Lebanese treatment of Palestinians is 100% falsified by "Pallywood," in an attempt to delegitimatize and dehumanize Lebanon?
No. I see people who blame their poor treatment 100% on Israel instead.
Have you seen anyone insisting that critics of Lebanon, whether its the mainstream Lebanese government or the Extremist elements represented by Hezbollah, are trying to create the extermination of the Lebanese people?
Of course. That's the standard line Hezbollah uses with Israel as the villain. The Litani river ring a bell?
Is there anyone insisting that Lebanon has to oppress and disenfranchise its Palestinian population, in order to preserve a certain demographic model?
Actually that's the official reason. Lebanon has a really delicate demographic situation. You really haven't bothered to even check to see if what your writing here is right or not.
If a Lebanese soldier kills a Palestinian refugee, go the news wires light up with pro-Lebanon commentators, syndicated pundits, university personalities and "smart guys" insisting that it's actually the UN's fault, the liberal media's fault, and that it was all faked anyway?
Of course not. Because no one cares if a Lebanese soldier kills a Palestinian. No one cares about Palestinian deaths at all unless it is Israel that killed them. Black September ring a bell?
I've never seen that done. I've never seen someone rush forward to defend the deplorable treatment Palestinian get from Lebanon.
That is because you don't actually know anything about this conflict.
Now granted, your mileage may vary - But I'll bet even so it doesn't vary much, and you can probably count the number of times you've seen this done for Lebanon on one hand. Without using your thumb.
I can count 5 or more in this thread alone.
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But your trick is to divert discussion by complaining about the source 100% of the time.
delrem
Jun 2013
#20
shira-"You all deny and ignore apartheid in Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan against Palestinians"
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#57
Whether refugees stay in Lebanon or Syria, the fact is they've been there 6 decades....
shira
Jun 2013
#60
"me and my flotilla friends" so now you want us to protest Lebanese and Syrian embassies?
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#62
actually I don't know the entire history why don't you share your knowledge with us?
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#66
oh shira as I told you days ago unfortunately for most of time the Palestinians were ignored
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#74
So western "progressive" Palestinian supporters are still ignoring Palestinians...
shira
Jun 2013
#75
no IMO most of us are kind of more in favor of Palestinians getting their own country
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#78
If you were for Palestinians having their own country you wouldn't bitch, whine...
shira
Jun 2013
#84
I de-bunked your claims not from the Palestinian side but from the Israeli side
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#89
Once again how os the West Bank Israel's sovereign territory to keep or give as it sees fit?
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#91
posts about Israel's offers of West Bank land and foaming condemnation of Palestinians for refusing
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#94
if you agree that the West Bank is not Israeli territory by what right do they expel Palestinians
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#98
Oslo granted Israel temporary custodianship over area C not the right to it as state land
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#102
does olso give Israel permission to claim land as Israeli state land and expel Palestinians from it?
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#109
Does Oslo give Israel the right to expel Palestinians from their homes in area C
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#111
The expulsion of the civilain inhabitants of a an occupied area is against Genva conventions
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#113
another quote "No different than the phony care displayed by Buchanan, Duke, or Ahmadinejad..."
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#131
Well, if only you could apply this standards to right-wing nuts your compatriots post
Scootaloo
Jun 2013
#122
no word as to why Israel allows settlers to carry M-16's but Palestinians get arrested for a rock
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#3
well having their own state would go a long ways towards curing the problem you made up for us
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#7
yes I do support the people sadly however the plight of the Palestinians was largely ignored
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#16
pretty much the same deal no one noticed but it's so good you do at least where Arabs are concerned
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#21
saying that the Palestinians problem would be solved by them have a country is making an excuse?
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#23
Why can't you advocate for equal Palestinian rights based on permanent resident status?
shira
Jun 2013
#25
So why can't they wait for their own country while having permanent residency status...
shira
Jun 2013
#28
why do you not seem too concerned about other Arab refugees not being given citizenship
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#37
no that's not what I'm Loling it's your concern only when about Palestinians and only Palestinians
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#49
No it seems about inventing Norman Rockwell type fantasies that do not exist for
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#51
ah ha while you want Palestinians made permanent residents any where but their own country
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#55
Palestinians in Lebanon are indeed being mistreated and discriminated against no doubt
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#56
The reasoning of the Arab League had to do with Israel not expelling it's entire Arab population
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#31
They are locked up? They are physically forced to stay in the camps? they can not leave the camps?
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#53
Did you know that there are around 11 million Palestinians and less than half are refugees?
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#71
yes it problematic isn't it because if the desendents of the original refugees weren't counted
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#115
I know how that so frustrates you that time and or Arabs will not solve Israel's problems for it
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#123
It was Israel that unilaterally refused to allow Palestinians to return to their rightful homes
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#134
Jordan is also rejecting Iraqi refugees and only accepting Syrian refugees from Syria
azurnoir
Jun 2013
#42