Israel/Palestine

shira

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84. If you were for Palestinians having their own country you wouldn't bitch, whine...

Thu Jun 13, 2013, 05:31 AM

Jun 2013

...and make excuses for the PA rejecting offers for their own state 3 times since 2000; the last offer being a 100% land deal.

You would demand accountability & want to know precisely why it was rejected and no counter-offer made...not make lame excuses apologizing for PA rejectionism.

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The Worst Argument Against The Apartheid Analogy [View all] Purveyor Jun 2013 OP

"NGO Monitor...is obsessed with use of the term Apartheid" oberliner Jun 2013 #1

I don't think it's funny. delrem Jun 2013 #4

Not "ha ha" funny oberliner Jun 2013 #10

But your trick is to divert discussion by complaining about the source 100% of the time. delrem Jun 2013 #20

Delrem - you guys are the biggest supporters of apartheid vs Palestinians shira Jun 2013 #36

shira-"You all deny and ignore apartheid in Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan against Palestinians" azurnoir Jun 2013 #57

Whether refugees stay in Lebanon or Syria, the fact is they've been there 6 decades.... shira Jun 2013 #60

"me and my flotilla friends" so now you want us to protest Lebanese and Syrian embassies? azurnoir Jun 2013 #62

You guys have had 6+ decades to protest embassies or do flotillas... shira Jun 2013 #63

most of us haven't even been alive 6 decades not even me azurnoir Jun 2013 #64

Bwahahaha! Yep, no "progressive" pro-Palestinian contingent for 6 decades... shira Jun 2013 #65

actually I don't know the entire history why don't you share your knowledge with us? azurnoir Jun 2013 #66

So there has been no good time in the last 6+ decades for a flotilla... shira Jun 2013 #73

oh shira as I told you days ago unfortunately for most of time the Palestinians were ignored azurnoir Jun 2013 #74

So western "progressive" Palestinian supporters are still ignoring Palestinians... shira Jun 2013 #75

that's not what I said is that what you read? azurnoir Jun 2013 #76

So no flotillas to Lebanon or Syria the past 6 years... shira Jun 2013 #77

no IMO most of us are kind of more in favor of Palestinians getting their own country azurnoir Jun 2013 #78

If you were for Palestinians having their own country you wouldn't bitch, whine... shira Jun 2013 #84

I de-bunked your claims not from the Palestinian side but from the Israeli side azurnoir Jun 2013 #89

The main point isn't whether Israel can deliver on Olmert's offer... shira Jun 2013 #92

Once again how os the West Bank Israel's sovereign territory to keep or give as it sees fit? azurnoir Jun 2013 #91

I didn't say it was Israel's sovereign territory, did I? n/t shira Jun 2013 #93

posts about Israel's offers of West Bank land and foaming condemnation of Palestinians for refusing azurnoir Jun 2013 #94

Stop pretending Israel hasn't offered an end to occupation 3 times since 2000... shira Jun 2013 #96

if you agree that the West Bank is not Israeli territory by what right do they expel Palestinians azurnoir Jun 2013 #98

It's called Oslo. The Palestinians signed onto it. shira Jun 2013 #101

Oslo granted Israel temporary custodianship over area C not the right to it as state land azurnoir Jun 2013 #102

Settlements per Oslo are a final status issue. You're wrong. n/t shira Jun 2013 #105

Oslo gave Israel permision to to addtional 'state' of Israel land? azurnoir Jun 2013 #106

Settlements are a final status issue as per Oslo. shira Jun 2013 #107

does olso give Israel permission to claim land as Israeli state land and expel Palestinians from it? azurnoir Jun 2013 #109

Oslo gives Israel full security & civil control of Area C. n/t shira Jun 2013 #110

Does Oslo give Israel the right to expel Palestinians from their homes in area C azurnoir Jun 2013 #111

Full civil control of Area C. n/t shira Jun 2013 #112

The expulsion of the civilain inhabitants of a an occupied area is against Genva conventions azurnoir Jun 2013 #113

Speaking of flotillas... Scootaloo Jun 2013 #82

So you'd say the reason there have been no flotillas to Lebanon... shira Jun 2013 #86

The lack of lethally-enforced blockades perhaps? Scootaloo Jun 2013 #87

Lethal blockades of Egypt and Lebanon? Do tell! shira Jun 2013 #88

You do understand the point of the flotilla to Gaza, don't you? Scootaloo Jun 2013 #119

I understand that the same activists supporting flotillas to Gaza.... shira Jun 2013 #124

And how many times have I pointed out how utterly full of shit you are? Scootaloo Jun 2013 #125

If I'm so full of shit, then please answer.... shira Jun 2013 #126

" whiny "pro-Palestinian" agony aunts." azurnoir Jun 2013 #127

and yet...you never answer the question w/o deflecting. n/t shira Jun 2013 #128

well it seems unnecessary or perhaps futile azurnoir Jun 2013 #129

See? You did it again! Another deflection. shira Jun 2013 #130

another quote "No different than the phony care displayed by Buchanan, Duke, or Ahmadinejad..." azurnoir Jun 2013 #131

Your posts are soooo funny King_David Jun 2013 #118

I never did see your post on ATA, David Scootaloo Jun 2013 #120

You should ask them if you can be an administrator King_David Jun 2013 #132

Why are you and your pro-Palestinian friends silent about apartheid... shira Jun 2013 #12

And you are obsessed with 972mag, for some bizarre reason. Ken Burch Jun 2013 #5

I'm not the one posting all their articles oberliner Jun 2013 #9

But you freak out when their articles DO get posted. Ken Burch Jun 2013 #67

Freak out? oberliner Jun 2013 #68

OK, "freak out" may have been too strong a term. Ken Burch Jun 2013 #95

I do think anything by Larry Derfner ought to be automatically discredited oberliner Jun 2013 #108

Well, if only you could apply this standards to right-wing nuts your compatriots post Scootaloo Jun 2013 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author shira Jun 2013 #2

no word as to why Israel allows settlers to carry M-16's but Palestinians get arrested for a rock azurnoir Jun 2013 #3

If you're so concerned about apartheid, why the silence.... shira Jun 2013 #6

well having their own state would go a long ways towards curing the problem you made up for us azurnoir Jun 2013 #7

The perpetuation of this crime against humanity vs. Lebanon's refugees.... shira Jun 2013 #8

Palestinian refugees are refugees because they do not have their own state azurnoir Jun 2013 #13

Lebanon has been doing this to its Palestinians for 65 years now... shira Jun 2013 #15

yes I do support the people sadly however the plight of the Palestinians was largely ignored azurnoir Jun 2013 #16

But it's not just Lebanon, as this apartheid exists in Egypt too shira Jun 2013 #17

pretty much the same deal no one noticed but it's so good you do at least where Arabs are concerned azurnoir Jun 2013 #21

You're just making excuses for how Arab regimes abuse Palestinians... shira Jun 2013 #22

saying that the Palestinians problem would be solved by them have a country is making an excuse? azurnoir Jun 2013 #23

Why can't you advocate for equal Palestinian rights based on permanent resident status? shira Jun 2013 #25

I have the same agenda as Arab Regimes do tell shira azurnoir Jun 2013 #26

So why can't they wait for their own country while having permanent residency status... shira Jun 2013 #28

why are you so anxious for Palestinians to have azurnoir Jun 2013 #29

Why do you support apartheid policy vs. Palestinians? shira Jun 2013 #35

why do you not seem too concerned about other Arab refugees not being given citizenship azurnoir Jun 2013 #37

What other Arab refugees? None are treated as horribly as Palestinian ones. shira Jun 2013 #41

lol quick brush off fact is Arab countries treat all refugees badly azurnoir Jun 2013 #45

They treat Palestinian refugees the worst, by far... shira Jun 2013 #47

You're lol'ing continued apartheid policy that could easily be lifted... shira Jun 2013 #48

no that's not what I'm Loling it's your concern only when about Palestinians and only Palestinians azurnoir Jun 2013 #49

This isn't about my concern. I don't claim like you to be pro-Palestinian.... shira Jun 2013 #50

No it seems about inventing Norman Rockwell type fantasies that do not exist for azurnoir Jun 2013 #51

Your refusal to condemn apartheid conditions... shira Jun 2013 #54

ah ha while you want Palestinians made permanent residents any where but their own country azurnoir Jun 2013 #55

Children of refugees are citizens anywhere else, except for Palestinians... shira Jun 2013 #58

Palestinians in Lebanon are indeed being mistreated and discriminated against no doubt azurnoir Jun 2013 #56

You can't even call it apartheid. That's denial... shira Jun 2013 #59

I just condemed it but that's not enough unless it's called apartheid right? azurnoir Jun 2013 #61

Not really. Shaktimaan Jun 2013 #30

The reasoning of the Arab League had to do with Israel not expelling it's entire Arab population azurnoir Jun 2013 #31

Mmmm Shaktimaan Jun 2013 #33

wow I knew that was coming but from you????? azurnoir Jun 2013 #34

The Palestinian leadership maintains refugee camps in the West Bank Mosby Jun 2013 #52

They are locked up? They are physically forced to stay in the camps? they can not leave the camps? azurnoir Jun 2013 #53

Ok. Let's try it this way. Shaktimaan Jun 2013 #69

+1. n/t shira Jun 2013 #72

Sorta Shaktimaan Jun 2013 #70

Did you know that there are around 11 million Palestinians and less than half are refugees? azurnoir Jun 2013 #71

Excellent point Shaktimaan Jun 2013 #114

yes it problematic isn't it because if the desendents of the original refugees weren't counted azurnoir Jun 2013 #115

And there we have it Shaktimaan Jun 2013 #116

I know how that so frustrates you that time and or Arabs will not solve Israel's problems for it azurnoir Jun 2013 #123

How is it Israel's problem? Shaktimaan Jun 2013 #133

It was Israel that unilaterally refused to allow Palestinians to return to their rightful homes azurnoir Jun 2013 #134

Except for the 50,000 who did return of course. Shaktimaan Jun 2013 #135

out of 750,000 that were expelled or some that fled in fear azurnoir Jun 2013 #136

It's true. I did. Shaktimaan Jun 2013 #137

How about Palestinian christians suffering apartheid in Gaza under Hamas? shira Jun 2013 #11

the Christians in Gaza are being discriminated against no question about that azurnoir Jun 2013 #14

So it's not apartheid in Gaza vs. the christians there? n/t shira Jun 2013 #18

if you want to call it apartheid be my guest azurnoir Jun 2013 #19

You'd call it apartheid if Israel were doing what Hamas does. n/t shira Jun 2013 #24

answer the question please do th laws Hamas is making apply equaly to both azurnoir Jun 2013 #27

No, they don't apply equally. Do you see Hamas shutting down Islamist schools? shira Jun 2013 #38

as I pointed out prior Hamas laws are based on fundamentalist Islam azurnoir Jun 2013 #40

So you're excusing apartheid policy based on religious policy? shira Jun 2013 #43

BTW is Lebanon or Egypt offering Syrian or Iraqi refugees citizenship? azurnoir Jun 2013 #32

Jordan is apartheid too vs. Palestinian refugees.... shira Jun 2013 #39

Jordan is also rejecting Iraqi refugees and only accepting Syrian refugees from Syria azurnoir Jun 2013 #42

Just more excuses from you in support of apartheid vs. Palestinians. n/t shira Jun 2013 #44

ummm Jordan has already made well over 1 million Palestinians citizens azurnoir Jun 2013 #46

Not that you actually CARE about Gaza Christians, of course. Ken Burch Jun 2013 #97

Remember Ken, I'm the ugly bigoted rightwing Zionist. YOU care so much... shira Jun 2013 #99

I do care about Palestinians. Ken Burch Jun 2013 #103

Why doesn't the rest of the "progressive" pro-Palestinian contingent care.... shira Jun 2013 #104

Once again... Scootaloo Jun 2013 #79

So you're silent about Palestinians in Lebanon, etc... shira Jun 2013 #80

Well, first off I'm not, and you know I'm not Scootaloo Jun 2013 #81

I think it's called catapulting azurnoir Jun 2013 #83

Your movement is silent about it. No flotillas, no protests, no countless articles.... shira Jun 2013 #85

and it seems your quite silent here why? azurnoir Jun 2013 #100

this is pretty funny. every one wrong. Shaktimaan Jun 2013 #117

You have to understand a statement before you can call it wrong Scootaloo Jun 2013 #121

I'll do my best to explain... Shaktimaan Jun 2013 #138

Two sentences in, you blow up in your own face Scootaloo Jun 2013 #139

I admit it, I'm torn... Shaktimaan Jun 2013 #140

The "apartheid" argument is all about muddying the waters WatermelonRat Jun 2013 #90