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In reply to the discussion: Meet Israel's most popular comedian. He's Arab. [View all]Dick Dastardly
(937 posts)24. This is full of half truths and falsehoods
Israels immigration laws are similar to those of any other liberal democracy. They are looser than some countries and tighter than others.
An Israeli can marry someone from Israel, Belgium or Timbuktu and would be entitled to have their spouse migrate to Israel.
True. Any Israeli citizen whether Jewish, Arab or whatever can marry a citizen from these and most any country and can have the spouse granted automatic residency. Not all countries grant automatic residency like Israel but have a more in depth process though the end result is usually the same in time. Israel like all countries have some common exceptions like a criminal record that make granting residency to a spouse not automatic and a more in depth process that can also result in denial.
An (Arab) Israeli who marries a Palestinian, or someone from Iran, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, or Yemen, is not able to have their spouse migrate to Israel
False. Any Israeli citizen whether Jewish, Arab or whatever(not just Arab as you say) who marries a resident/citizen (not as you allude to someone of those ethnic background) from one of those countries or the Palestinian territories who is under 35 if husband or under 25 if wife is not eligible for automatic residency. They are not banned as you try to allude to but must go through a more in depth process rather than getting granted automatic residency. Since 1993 100,000 Palestinians have been granted residency or citizenship.
This was a temporary law enacted in 2003 due to waves of terrorism that hit Israel. The law has been renewed several times and targets enemy/hostile states that are hotbeds of terrorism. It does not target all Arab or Muslim countries as most are not listed. Many countries have similar restrictions some less and some stricter based on security concerns. Some countries don't grant residency on an automatic basis like Israel and makes everyone go through a regular or more in depth process which is what Israels law makes those from the countries in question do. Some countries list so many exceptions that are wide and vague that it can include just about anyone.
The US does this as well as allow the State Dept to issue temporary security regulations.
http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/ineligibilities/ineligibilities_1364.html
If such a marriage produces a child, that child could stay with its Israeli mother until he or she is twelve years of age. Thereafter, the child will be deported. Most countries would not accept a child being deported in such circumstances, but in the case of the Palestinians, the IDF can just take the kid and dump them in the West Bank.
False. The child of an Israeli citizen is an Israeli citizen with full rights. Such children are not deported when they reach the age of twelve. Did you just make this up?
You can legitimately argue the rightness or wrongness of the temporary law but as usual that is not enough and the MO of using half truths, twisting facts and outright falsehoods in order to demonize Israel is par for the course.
When it comes to Israel it does not matter if there is nothing wrong with something it will be twisted to be something wrong. If it is questionable or wrong it will be twisted to be much worse. If it is something that is commonly done by countries and or is an accepted practice it will be twisted to be wrong and only done by Israel. When such tactics and other various fallacious arguments are so commonly used as is the case with the anti Israel crowd, its pretty obvious they are used due to a lack of legitimate facts and arguments to support their position.
Birth
A child born to an Israeli citizen (including children born outside of Israel as first generation out of Israel) is considered an Israeli citizen. Persons born outside Israel are Israeli citizens, if their father or mother holds Israeli citizenship, acquired either by birth in Israel, according to the Law of Return, by residence, or by naturalization.[1] In other words, the principle of jus sanguinis is limited to only one generation born abroad. Despite this limitation, the descendants of an Israeli national abroad may be eligible to obtain Israeli citizenship through other methods, such as the Law of Return.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_nationality_law
From the UN
4. Nationality by birth
(a)The following shall, from the date of their birth, be Israel nationals by birth:
(1)a person born in Israel while his father or mother was an Israel national;
(2)a person born outside Israel while his. father or mother was an Israel national
(a)by return;
(b)by residence in Israel;
(c)by naturalisation;
(d)under paragraph (1).
(b)For the purposes of this section, where a person is born after the death of one of his parents, it shall sufficient if that parent was an Israel national it the time of his or her death
http://www.refworld.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/rwmain?page=country&category=LEGAL&publisher=&type=LEGISLATION&coi=ISR&rid=4562d8cf2&docid=3ae6b4ec20&skip=0
Acquisition of Israeli Nationality
Israel's Nationality Law relates to anyone wishing to settle in Israel, as well as those already residing or born there, regardless of race, religion, creed, sex or political beliefs. Citizenship may be acquired by:
Birth
The Law of Return
Residence
Naturalization
Acquisition of Nationality by Birth is granted to:
Persons who were born in Israel to a mother or father who are Israeli citizens.
Persons born outside Israel, if their father or mother holds Israeli citizenship, acquired either by birth in Israel, according to the Law of Return, by residence, or by naturalization.
Persons born after the death of one of their parents, if the late parent was an Israeli citizen by virtue of the conditions enumerated above at the time of death.
Persons born in Israel, who have never had any nationality and subject to limitations specified in law, if they:
apply for it in the period between their 18th and 25th birthday and
have been residents of Israel for five consecutive years, immediately preceding the day of the filing of their application.
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Acquisition of by Residence
Special provision is made in the Nationality Law for former citizens of British Mandatory Palestine. Those who remained in Israel from the establishment of the State in 1948 until the enactment of the Nationality Law of 1952 became Israeli citizens by residence or by return.
According to an amendment (1980), further possibilities to acquire citizenship by residence were included in the law.
Acquisition of Nationality by Naturalization
Adults may acquire Israeli citizenship by naturalization at the discretion of the Minister of the Interior and subject to a number of requirements, such as:
they must have resided in Israel for three years out of five years preceding the day of submission of the application;
they are entitled to reside in Israel permanently and have settled or intended to settle in Israel;
they have renounced their prior nationality, or have proved that they will cease to be foreign nationals upon becoming Israeli citizens.
The Minister of the Interior may exempt an applicant from some of these requirements.
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2001/8/Acquisition%20of%20Israeli%20Nationality
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" subject to health and criminal checks will normally be granted that visa"
holdencaufield
Apr 2013
#9
Arab Israeli citizens aren't Israeli nationals. Israel is a specifically Jewish state. nt
delrem
Apr 2013
#14
You say that Israel is a Palestinian state as well? Do you understand Israel's national anthem? nt
delrem
Apr 2013
#20
"Arab Israeli citizens aren't Israeli nationals. Israel is a specifically Jewish state." A defense.
delrem
Apr 2013
#38
I can't protest that Mandela recognizes who was and wasn't against Apartheid. nt
delrem
Apr 2013
#46
Good for him, no matter how he is perceived by Palestinians, it take balls to give this a go. From
Jefferson23
Apr 2013
#32