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Violet_Crumble

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81. Nope, you've called others in here bigots and antisemites before...
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 07:43 AM
Feb 2013

What yr missing is that there's no agreement amongst people on what defines Zionism, so it's absolutely silly to be huffing and puffing away when you wouldn't even agree on what zionism is.

There are Zionists, quite a lot in fact, who do believe that Israel should have most, if not all of the West Bank. Many more Zionists don't tend to give a shit what happens to the Palestinians, just as long as Israel gets 'peace' and 'security' and all that lovely sounding stuff. And then there are Zionists, fewer in number, who do honestly believe in a fair two-state solution where both Israelis and Palestinians live in peace in their own independent states. Those Zionists also oppose the Occupation and are opposed to the settlements. The problem arises when Zionists who fall into the first two categories turn around and accuse the latter type of being anti-Zionists.

So, what does and doesn't define Zionism is pretty much in the eye of the beholder. Therefore I've decided that anyone who doesn't agree with my views on what is and isn't Zionism is a bigot, as per the dictionary definition.

My suggestion would be to stop calling other DUers bigots and antisemites. It cheapens any attempts at debate you make, imo...

Same reason unicorns don't. n/t Scootaloo Feb 2013 #1
No matter how many times I see it... Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #2
What bigotry? Scootaloo Feb 2013 #4
Vast vast majority of Democratic Party King_David Feb 2013 #5
So I can't tell... Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #7
Anti Zionism is Bigotry all right, King_David Feb 2013 #8
It's enough to say that some antizionists are bigots. Ken Burch Feb 2013 #103
I don't think that's a real quote oberliner Feb 2013 #9
Sure Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #11
Cool oberliner Feb 2013 #12
I'm being completely serious Scootaloo Feb 2013 #13
I do believe most anti Zionists are Anti Semites King_David Feb 2013 #15
You can believe that wild boars stampede out your ass on tuesday afternoons, if you like Scootaloo Feb 2013 #16
Your views on Zionism are abundantly clear King_David Feb 2013 #17
No different from my views on any other racist nationalist belief, Dave Scootaloo Feb 2013 #19
Zionism is Racism ? King_David Feb 2013 #20
Abba Eban King_David Feb 2013 #21
Quick question. Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #30
I wish I could say these are interesting questions. Scootaloo Feb 2013 #31
So you don't support the notion that both nations be held to the same legal standards? Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #75
You've been told many, many times that the West Bank is occupied and NOT 'Jewish land' Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #79
You miss the point. Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #114
I'm correcting some incorrect things in yr post. Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #116
Nothing I wrote was incorrect. Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #120
No surprise seeing I've never seen you admit anything you say is incorrect... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #133
I already clarified this. Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #136
Deflection ... holdencaufield Mar 2013 #144
+1 delrem Feb 2013 #18
Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan King_David Feb 2013 #22
"an invitation to genocide against the Jewish people" delrem Feb 2013 #27
Here's where you're wrong. aranthus Feb 2013 #23
As I figured Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #24
I was responding to your post last night... Scootaloo Feb 2013 #53
Thank you for the compliment. Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #69
Continued... Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #28
i love reading your posts....they reak of intolerance and bigotry pelsar Feb 2013 #32
A yes, Pelsar, the self-described "Israeli liberal" delrem Feb 2013 #34
thats it? pelsar Feb 2013 #35
Yes Pelsar delrem Feb 2013 #36
The way you talk about "Zionists" as if its a dirty word , King_David Feb 2013 #37
Like any political philosophy, Zionism exists to be challenged. delrem Feb 2013 #39
Yes your views are crystal clear. NT King_David Feb 2013 #49
it has nothing to do with being a zionist.... pelsar Feb 2013 #38
Scootaloo is not a bigot. delrem Feb 2013 #40
What do you think of people against Palestinian nationalism & self-determination? shira Feb 2013 #42
dont like dictionaries do you? pelsar Feb 2013 #43
that's straight up ad hominem delrem Feb 2013 #44
i get it, you dont like the dictionary, but i do..... pelsar Feb 2013 #45
You can apply that definition to an anti-Kluxer, and get the same result. delrem Feb 2013 #46
the definition of a bigot still stands pelsar Feb 2013 #47
Once again: You can apply that definition to an anti-Kluxer, and get the same result. delrem Feb 2013 #48
heres your chance..... pelsar Feb 2013 #52
Here's your chance to prove me wrong delrem Feb 2013 #56
of course i can answer-direct questions get direct answers pelsar Feb 2013 #59
Very odd. delrem Feb 2013 #61
to clarify... pelsar Feb 2013 #62
Sorry, this is not worth responding to. nt delrem Feb 2013 #63
surprise surprise...... pelsar Feb 2013 #64
oh for the luv a ... delrem Feb 2013 #65
no whining..your the one who "ran away".... pelsar Feb 2013 #67
And which part makes it beneath you to even respond? Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #73
+1 aranthus Feb 2013 #68
Yes, you could. Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #72
Your post was/is drivel because... delrem Feb 2013 #76
Okay. You win. Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #87
checking the subthread to get a clue about the topic before you post might help next time! delrem Feb 2013 #90
Oh but I did. Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #109
Did it cross yr mind that they were merely mistaking you for pelsar? Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #91
The idea is to muddy the topic being debated, and to divert it. delrem Feb 2013 #100
au contrair...i dont muddy anything on purpose...just ask again.... pelsar Feb 2013 #101
Delrem, your 1-state "equality" plan would result in fascist, theocratic totalitarianism.... shira Feb 2013 #102
The obvious flaw in that argument... Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #122
The obvious flaw in your argument delrem Feb 2013 #124
Ethnic cleansing during the war. Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #127
yadda yadda yadda.... interminable yadda. n/t delrem Feb 2013 #128
That's pretty much what I expected. Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #130
You really ought to widen your vocabulary a bit. delrem Feb 2013 #135
Of course it did. Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #108
Then don't go accusing others of lying Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #115
I never did either of those things. Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #117
You most definitely did Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #118
I hold no such double standard. Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #121
You most definitely do Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #125
Insulting Zionists has nothing to do with it. Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #129
It's got everything to do with it... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #132
The definition of bigotry: Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #137
Lets say I told you... Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #139
Bad examples Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #138
Not at all. Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #71
Pelsar and I are not discussing *your* argument. We're discussing *his*. n/t delrem Feb 2013 #98
Excuse me... Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #111
You hasbarists don't know how to give it a f*cking rest, do you? delrem Feb 2013 #119
Hasbarists don't take shit like our ancestors from the WW2 era did. shira Feb 2013 #126
Well... Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #131
Nah... delrem Feb 2013 #134
Question. Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #140
I didn't create bookmarks, but I'll tell you what delrem Feb 2013 #141
Once again, one cannot be bigoted against a political philosophy Scootaloo Feb 2013 #51
your bigoted.... pelsar Feb 2013 #54
When all else fails, take the semantic argument, right? Scootaloo Feb 2013 #55
proper usage of words = proper communication pelsar Feb 2013 #57
As I said, feel free to keep trying Scootaloo Feb 2013 #58
*no problem pelsar Feb 2013 #60
Regarding dr king Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #74
Yes, that is what I mean. Scootaloo Feb 2013 #142
Question. Before I respond. Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #143
Once again, to clarify our critique. Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #70
Now that's a pot, kettle, black moment if every there was one... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #78
What a nasty and totally incorrect false accusation that is... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #77
actually that was the first time i can recall that i said it pelsar Feb 2013 #80
Nope, you've called others in here bigots and antisemites before... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #81
i know that, you know that... pelsar Feb 2013 #82
No, I don't think you do know that at all... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #83
and anyone who calls all zionists.... pelsar Feb 2013 #85
And again yr back to insisting that everyone defines Zionism as you do... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #86
you miss the point.... pelsar Feb 2013 #88
Nope, I'm not missing anything at all... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #89
Violet, you're and advocate for BDS which is for 1-state and full RoR.... shira Feb 2013 #92
As usual yr wrong Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #93
You support BDS, which is for full RoR and 1-state.... shira Feb 2013 #94
No I don't. We've been through this before Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #95
No you don't....what? You no longer support BDS? I ask b/c I never get any straight answers.... shira Feb 2013 #96
I think my points been well and truly proven Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #97
Violet, if you hadn't admitted earlier you were for 1-state and BDS, there'd be no confusion... shira Feb 2013 #99
Shira, I am NOT an anti-zionist, so cut the crap... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #104
Your views are shifty and contradictory. Hence, the questions which you refuse to answer. n/t shira Feb 2013 #105
No. You just deliberately ignore what I say Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #106
We can talk issues if you'd like. Let's talk BDS and how it's remotely possible.... shira Feb 2013 #107
"You just deliberately ignore what I say" oberliner Feb 2013 #110
well seeing as how the poster your addressing has you on ignore and this is hardly thr first azurnoir Feb 2013 #112
Bingo. Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #113
pelsar Israeli Mar 2013 #145
the argument was about pelsar Mar 2013 #146
OK Israeli Mar 2013 #147
just for fun...being a "liberal" pelsar Feb 2013 #84
sounds like Mr Beinart is speaking from both sides of his mouth or needs a geography lesson azurnoir Feb 2013 #3
At least he doesn't say he's against full RoR when he's really for it. shira Feb 2013 #6
No. He's consistent. Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #10
well thanks I knew someone would come through for me azurnoir Feb 2013 #14
Well of course, to anti-zionists like yourself, all zionists are the same. Duh... n/t shira Feb 2013 #25
okay so you have decided that I am an anti-zionist have you ? azurnoir Feb 2013 #29
You're for full RoR that would change Israel into yet another Arab state, right? shira Feb 2013 #41
well where are you wrong perhaps in your seeming asumption azurnoir Feb 2013 #50
LOL. Who are you kidding? So when millions of Palestinians demand entry into Israel.... shira Feb 2013 #66
well shira it is indeed wonderful to see your concern about ethnic domination n/t azurnoir Feb 2013 #123
Sigh Benton D Struckcheon Feb 2013 #26
Benton...thats a good summary...but not the issue pelsar Feb 2013 #33
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