Israel/Palestine

Ken Burch

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15. OK...there is that.

Reply to Jefferson23 (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:42 PM

Jan 2013

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A welcomed surprise. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #1

Why? Is Yesh preferable to Labor, for some reason? Ken Burch Jan 2013 #2

Meretz would keep major settlement blocs too, so? n/t shira Jan 2013 #4

Have they actually said that? Ken Burch Jan 2013 #5

Yeah, they did. shira Jan 2013 #7

The settment blocs make peace impossible. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #23

RoR makes peace impossible. That's clear based on Abbas' recent remarks.... shira Jan 2013 #25

If you assume that the PLO, or Palestinians, would never make peace at any time Ken Burch Jan 2013 #26

When the PA would rather see 150,000 Syrian Palestinians dead than renounce RoR.... shira Jan 2013 #28

The PA refused to arbitrarily cross out the rights of Palestinians on Israel's demand, you mean Scootaloo Jan 2013 #31

Amazing. You can't even criticize Abbas for his ridiculously evil statement.... shira Jan 2013 #33

I've already done so Scootaloo Jan 2013 #35

He gave the refugees no choice. They die rather than give up their RoR. shira Jan 2013 #39

And yet, seems that he worked out something to get them into the west bank anyway Scootaloo Jan 2013 #41

Those refugees aren't headed to the W.Bank. They're still rotting in Syria. shira Jan 2013 #42

"Palestinian refugees are rotting away in camps throughout the mideast - in apartheid conditions" R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #45

Apartheid in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Jordan....since 1948. shira Jan 2013 #47

"Palestinian refugees are rotting away in camps throughout the mideast - in apartheid" R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #62

Your deflection and non-answer tells me all I need to know. n/t shira Jan 2013 #63

Shira, my poor misguided friend. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #66

My friend, you missed the part about rotting away in CAMPS.... shira Jan 2013 #68

The West Bank and Gaza are two really big refugee camps a la Israel. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #72

R.Daneel, my poor dear misguided friend, there are no refugee camps Israel runs.... shira Jan 2013 #80

I'm surprised that you are still standing after all that spin. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #92

Israel is not responsible for the great grandchildren of refugees. That's UNRWA..... shira Jan 2013 #95

Non-Jews who live in Israel have their rights. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #76

Blacks in 1946 Alabama had the vote, too. Scootaloo Jan 2013 #88

It is how they vote in the elections and sabbat hunter Jan 2013 #93

Sorry. Casting a ballot does equate democracy. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #94

So, you don't blame people who exploited Jewish refugees Scootaloo Jan 2013 #79

Palestinian refugees who've lived 6 decades under apartheid rule under UN auspices.... shira Jan 2013 #81

You're still supporting giving refugees a shakedown. Scootaloo Jan 2013 #86

What shakedown? shira Jan 2013 #90

shira...why do you defend the Israeli demand that Syrian Pals renounce RoR BEFORE Ken Burch Jan 2013 #44

You hit the proverbial nail on the head, KB. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #46

Now I'll ask you the same question as I did Ken.... shira Jan 2013 #49

Can you not see that making them sign off on RoR wouldn't actually CHANGE anything? Ken Burch Jan 2013 #51

Shira, Shira. I have already posted what I thought of Abbas. I don't agree with what he said R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #64

You're more outraged at Israel WRT signing a note on RoR than you are WRT Abbas.... shira Jan 2013 #48

It's not as simple as yes or no. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #50

You don't appear to be outraged at Abbas' statement. shira Jan 2013 #52

Abbas' response isn't worse than Netanyahu's unjustified and pointless demand. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #53

Unbelievable. You're putting RoR above the right to live/exist. shira Jan 2013 #54

What I'm saying is that making them renounce RoR isn't worth it. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #55

You should be for them signing off on RoR, for humane reasons.... shira Jan 2013 #56

Why is getting the renounciation first MORE important than getting a real, negotiated peace? Ken Burch Jan 2013 #57

Thank you shira azurnoir Jan 2013 #8

And thank you for demonizing Israel's Left, because only Zionists make bad Leftists. n/t shira Jan 2013 #9

lol pointing out the truth is demonizing azurnoir Jan 2013 #10

Nah, it's typical anti-zionist fodder. Like Ali Abunimah claiming Amos Oz.... shira Jan 2013 #11

geez just can't quit the reflexive rhetoric? azurnoir Jan 2013 #12

Meretz is just as reasonable as any other centrist party in Israel.... shira Jan 2013 #13

I support Meretz on the other issues(I suspect most of their voters oppose keeping the settlements). Ken Burch Jan 2013 #16

The Geneva Accord calls for land swaps too, with major settlements.... shira Jan 2013 #17

What's so extreme about wanting your country's territory to be contiguous? Ken Burch Jan 2013 #18

Norm fcuking Finkelstein calls BS on these "reasonable" demands... shira Jan 2013 #19

BDS wants a single-state solution...the '67 boundaries have nothing in common with that. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #20

So do you when you call for RoR. Cut the shit. n/t shira Jan 2013 #21

I don't call for full physical RoR. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #24

Well then, the Palestinians will never agree to peace with you... shira Jan 2013 #36

Actually, all they've said is that they won't give up RoR as a precondition. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #58

If they're willing to compromise, then Abbas and his goons wouldn't declare outright.... shira Jan 2013 #59

I don't defend everything(or really, much of anything) that's been done to Pal refugees. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #60

You and your fellow advocates don't ever stand up against what's done to the refugees. shira Jan 2013 #61

Not ALL Zionists insist on keeping the big settlement blocs. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #65

Then name them. Who are they? Has anyone heard of them before? shira Jan 2013 #67

Don't assume I respect or support ALL of those groups. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #69

Azur didn't demonize Israel's left...she just criticized the positions some of its leaders take. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #22

So Meretz, PeaceNow, J-Street, Geneva, Larry Derfner, Amos Oz, Yitzak Rabin, etc.... shira Jan 2013 #29

Yes. Scootaloo Jan 2013 #32

I'm assuming you're atheist. If so, what makes the '67 lines sacrosanct? shira Jan 2013 #34

Land swaps are not "blasphemous" Scootaloo Jan 2013 #37

The Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem. Taken in 1948. Jews ethnically cleansed.... shira Jan 2013 #38

That's actually a good question, but it leads to another one; Scootaloo Jan 2013 #40

Wrong answer. Please don't deflect. I'll answer you after you answer me first. n/t shira Jan 2013 #43

It's not a deflection, Shira Scootaloo Jan 2013 #75

You keep trying to change the subject. Stay the fuck focused.... shira Jan 2013 #82

Any Jews that were ethnically cleansed, delrem Jan 2013 #70

The problem with RoR in the Arab/Israel conflict is that it would result in more war... shira Jan 2013 #83

Hey, careful. You are using reason there. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #73

just for fun... pelsar Jan 2013 #77

IHL via the San Remo Conference of 1920 doesn't see Jews as colonialists... shira Jan 2013 #84

nothing like putting ones head in the sand pelsar Jan 2013 #78

My mind is open - just not so much that my brain falls out. Scootaloo Jan 2013 #85

nothing like a bit arrogance is there...makes life easier pelsar Jan 2013 #87

Well, there would have to be a Zionist who agrees to dismantle the settlements Scootaloo Jan 2013 #89

thats what i thought...moving the goal posts are we now..? pelsar Jan 2013 #91

You asked me what proof I wanted. Scootaloo Jan 2013 #96

You first asserted something demonstrably false... shira Jan 2013 #97

Wait wait... Here's what you said, post #29 Scootaloo Jan 2013 #100

You claimed Zionists are against ANY type of evacuation.... shira Jan 2013 #101

You said they're against evacuation. Then you say they're for it. Scootaloo Jan 2013 #102

wrong again...you can admit your wrong again for the 2nd time (more are coming) pelsar Jan 2013 #98

There are unicorns! Well, at least two. A few more questions, if you will... Scootaloo Jan 2013 #99

you were wrong....its that simple.....admit it (what no courage?) pelsar Jan 2013 #103

Their collective political body is a disaster, for the Palestinians. Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #14

OK...there is that. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #15

That was my point thank you azurnoir Jan 2013 #27

I like the idea of Bibi having a perpetual headache. Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #30

What's the difference b/w Yesh Atid and Kadima? n/t shira Jan 2013 #3

Not much. Mainly Lapid's personal charisma. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #6

Broadcast News, William Hurt? i.e., St. Ronnie? n/t delrem Jan 2013 #71

Maybe Lapid will end up having to resign Ken Burch Jan 2013 #74