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Shaktimaan

(5,397 posts)
44. I'm wrong in neither principle or letter.
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:26 PM
Dec 2012

As far as your accusation goes, what is the deal with people specifically accusing Israel of acts that they not only never committed, but often seem to be drawn from examples of Arab crimes against Jews? It's SO weird. Just look at this:

military force ethnically cleanses a population, annexes the land, destroys all history of prior ownership,


Ok, in 1948-49 Israel's military did not ethnically cleanse Palestine at all, except for a few, specific, limited areas, like around Jaffa. The vast majority of Arab refugees left of their own accord and were prevented from returning later on via legal action. That obviously doesn't include all the Arabs who didn't leave and still make up a sizable percentage of Israel's population.

And the land wasn't "annexed." The rules of the 49 truce specifically say that final borders are up to future negotiations. Regardless, the land was as much Israel's as Palestine's. Israel had every right to the land it exerted sovereignty over.

And not only did Israel not "destroy all history of prior ownership," it left many prior owners there. But look at cases like al Aqsa mosque. The holiest Muslim site in Jerusalem was built on top of the holiest Jewish site in the world. Some Jewish extremists wanted to demolish it and rebuild the temple. But Israel outlawed Jewish worship there, structurally kept it fully intact and even handed over control over the site to a Muslim authority.

Compare this to Jordan's behavior in 49.

It's military COMPLETELY ethnically cleansed the West Bank and east Jerusalem of ALL it's Jewish inhabitants. Then it actually tried to annex that entire area, despite having no legal claim to it whatsoever; regardless of the fact that doing so meant preventing Palestinian self-determination. Then Jordanian forces in east Jerusalem demolished dozens of ancient synagogues as well as the cemetery on the mt of olives, the oldest Jewish cemetery on earth, using the tombstones to build latrines and other random structures. And this is but ONE example out of many of this sort of hypocrisy.

Yet somehow it is usually only Israel who stands accused of the crimes outlined above. Why do you suppose that is?
Robert Fisk, no surprise oberliner Nov 2012 #1
Maybe it's time to let old grievances go and move forward in life... ellisonz Nov 2012 #2
Interesting replies azurnoir Nov 2012 #3
Thanks. Scurrilous Nov 2012 #4
Will we see a similarly detailed revelation ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #5
I doubt you'd find anybody here Ken Burch Nov 2012 #7
No shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #10
You need a history lesson. Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #11
You need to learn to read shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #14
Quote ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #16
A devastating response... shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #18
Well, maybe not as fair and balanced a headline as ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #19
Half is 50%. Did you not really not know this? Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #17
Indeed I did shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #20
Are you hoping people won't click on the link? Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #23
Ah good, so you agree with me... shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #24
How very sad. Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #26
How very dishonest... shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #27
The only dishonesty is yours, which explains your need for name calling. Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #28
Ah, so you do agree with me... shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #29
a third is almost half? sabbat hunter Nov 2012 #25
There is a lot of evidence to support ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #15
Actually, pretty much only Kahanists believe that... shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #22
No, no, we musn't discuss ethnic cleansing....... kayecy Nov 2012 #6
Would it actually harm anything for the Israeli government to admit Ken Burch Nov 2012 #8
"...does help explain(though not justify)the targeting of Sderot." holdencaufield Nov 2012 #21
sederot was not built on top of huj Mosby Nov 2012 #9
So it was an Arab majority leaving peacefully with a Jewish minority. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #12
So those who live in Sderot aren't "true inhabitants"? cali Nov 2012 #13
They're victims of both sides. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #30
how in the world was Israel supposed to know Mosby Nov 2012 #31
Yes, it was, at that point still part of Egypt Ken Burch Nov 2012 #32
That's hysterical henank Dec 2012 #33
How about allowing Palestinian refugees their right of return? delrem Dec 2012 #34
The Palestinians will have right of return ... holdencaufield Dec 2012 #35
How very clever. delrem Dec 2012 #36
"I'm repelled by ethnic cleansing" holdencaufield Dec 2012 #37
Yes, I understand the meaning of term "ethnic cleansing". delrem Dec 2012 #38
No - I use the correct definitions ... holdencaufield Dec 2012 #39
As I said delrem Dec 2012 #40
Actually... Shaktimaan Dec 2012 #42
actually... delrem Dec 2012 #43
I'm wrong in neither principle or letter. Shaktimaan Dec 2012 #44
"except for a few, specific, limited areas" oh of course, sure. nt delrem Dec 2012 #46
Correct Shaktimaan Dec 2012 #47
Incidentally Shaktimaan Dec 2012 #45
The problem with your argument delrem Dec 2012 #48
Why are descendants of refugees entitled to RoR into Israel? shira Jan 2013 #49
You can't give it a rest, can you? delrem Jan 2013 #50
Descendants of refugees aren't refugees by International Law... shira Jan 2013 #53
wrong delrem Jan 2013 #59
Now onto your allegations.... shira Jan 2013 #58
reply delrem Jan 2013 #60
As expected. You've got nothing... shira Jan 2013 #61
actually, shira: ethnic cleansing is an abomination, delrem Jan 2013 #62
You're invoking make-believe International Law & lying about yr opponents. shira Jan 2013 #64
The fourth Geneva convention: read it delrem Jan 2013 #65
UN definition (not UNWRA) of refugees.... shira Jan 2013 #63
So according to you Palestinian refugees are all trying to destroy Israel. Violet_Crumble Jan 2013 #52
Not exactly. But they're all being used in order to destroy Israel. shira Jan 2013 #54
I was asking the person who posted it if they saw anything wrong Violet_Crumble Jan 2013 #67
Seriously, is that all you got out of the article? Violet_Crumble Jan 2013 #51
It's a nasty article. The title even gives it away. shira Jan 2013 #55
I didn't realize yr Cali's spokesperson Violet_Crumble Jan 2013 #66
look up Najd delrem Jan 2013 #57
I don't think it's possible to .... delrem Dec 2012 #41
Huj Agony Jan 2013 #56
K & R Scurrilous Jan 2013 #68
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