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LeftishBrit

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1. I broadly agree with this; you do need to judge case by case
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 04:34 PM
Nov 2012

But I don't think George Jonas, unless he's changed quite a bit in the last couple of years, is a suitable person to quote on DU.

Here's what I posted about him in 2009:

'Here is a taster:

http://www.georgejonas.ca/recent_writing.cfm?id=674


'Actually, a European Union-type of techno-corporate state seems a greater threat to a free society. The EU's kind of supra-national bureaucracy, less bloody and more sophisticated than a communist state, is nearly as coercive and more likely to succeed.

I think the force with the greatest capacity for becoming a threat to liberal democracy is liberalism itself -- meaning loony-liberalism, a kind of ideological ménage à trios between Timothy Leary, Karl Marx and Al Gore, at once passionate and arid, that in Western societies has all but captured the educational and judicial machinery of the state. In some, it's a virtual state religion, whose matriarchal, environmentalist, multicultural, anti-male, anti-family, anti-individual and public-hygiene shibboleths are enforced by Orwellian regulatory agencies, commissions and tribunals, better known as the smoke-, smut-, seat-belt-, thought-, language-and calorie-police.

Some of loony-liberalism's ideological strands, e. g., feminism and environmentalism, transcend borders and religions. Like all successful ideologies, they can absorb other kinds of self-identifications and loyalties. They can even absorb each other, as demonstrated by the 1990s movement of "eco-feminism." As millennial ideas, they hold out the promise of a new beginning, a fundamental change in human society. Both matriarchy and environmentalism combine mysticism with a quasi-scientific stance, much like fascism and communism did.

...Democracy, far from being eco-fascism's enemy, seems to be its friend. Its enemy is liberty. That's why I think liberty has as much to fear from democracy as from autocracy.

So, is it going to be Sino-Russian autocracy versus Western-style democracy, as Kagan suggests? I wouldn't rule it out. Nor would I rule out democracy allying itself with a kind of pseudo-scientific health-worshipping eco-maniacal post-family feminism, culminating in a whopping tyranny to make autocracy, or even oriental despotism, look like a Boy Scout jamboree.'


Just as I do not think that the likes of Ron Paul should be cited to justify pro-Palestinian views, I do not think that the likes of George Jonas (in some ways, a more intellectual version of Ron Paul) should be used to justify pro-Israeli views.'


I am here not 'shootingthe messenger' because I disagree with the message. As I said, I broadly agree with this particular message. I am shooting the messenger because I think this particular messemger is fundamentally toxic!

I broadly agree with this; you do need to judge case by case LeftishBrit Nov 2012 #1
I agree about the Author but found the article King_David Nov 2012 #2
I doubt the writer treats those who criticizes Palestine the same way Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #3
Greta Berlin proved the need for suspicion nt King_David Nov 2012 #4
Using that logic, so did Daniel Pipes when it comes to criticising Paletine Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #5
Because even her allies tossed her under the bus King_David Nov 2012 #7
That doesn't explain why she's supposedly antisemitic Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #9
Well it seems most of the world including her 'friends' King_David Nov 2012 #10
'Most of the world'? That's not true at all... Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #11
Statement from former board members of Free Gaza movement shira Nov 2012 #12
A few things bother me after reading that stuff... Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #16
"I read what Larry derfner wrote and if that's true, then the accusations are wrong..." oberliner Nov 2012 #14
You googled Greta Berlin and you're still not sure why she is labeled an antisemite? oberliner Nov 2012 #8
Can't awaken those pretending to be asleep. n/t shira Nov 2012 #13
Larry Derfner needs to issue an apology and retraction oberliner Nov 2012 #15
Larry Derfner believes the cause is more important shira Nov 2012 #17
But he should still at least admit to his errors oberliner Nov 2012 #18
Probably not, but I would LeftishBrit Nov 2012 #6
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