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In reply to the discussion: The Levy Report and the ‘Occupation’ Narrative [View all]shira
(30,109 posts)1. WRT the international community comparing Israel's "occupation" with other nations....
It is instructive to see how the international community looks at far clearer cases of territories that came under military control of foreign forces as a result of armed conflict. On July 20, 1974, the Turkish Army invaded Cyprus, which had been an independent state since 1960, taking over 37 percent of the island. The Turkish zone declared its independence in 1983, but no state, except Turkey, recognized the new government.
How does most of the international community refer to the territory of Northern Cyprus? The fact of the matter is that they dont label it an occupation. When the EU accepted Cyprus as a new member state in 2004, it prepared a memorandum explaining that the accession to the EU was suspended in the area of the Republic of Cyprus in which the Government of the Republic of Cyprus does not exercise effective control.
How does most of the international community refer to the territory of Northern Cyprus? The fact of the matter is that they dont label it an occupation. When the EU accepted Cyprus as a new member state in 2004, it prepared a memorandum explaining that the accession to the EU was suspended in the area of the Republic of Cyprus in which the Government of the Republic of Cyprus does not exercise effective control.
There are 2 other examples as well in this article.
The International community does not call it "occupation" in any of the 3 examples.
The term is purely political.
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WRT the international community comparing Israel's "occupation" with other nations....
shira
Jul 2012
#1
Since Oslo, Turkey has far more effective control of Cyprus than Israel does of Gaza or the WB...
shira
Jul 2012
#3
When the UN says that what NATO does in Libya is not occupation, and it's more invasive than Gaza...
shira
Jul 2012
#9
See #5. It's still a joke when you claim Gaza is occupied. There's no IDF presence there...
shira
Jul 2012
#12
Based on your response, it's obvious you can't defend the argument that Gaza is occupied...
shira
Jul 2012
#23
Again, 4GC Article 6 makes it clear Israel doesn't meet the description of an occupying power...
shira
Jul 2012
#26
Really? That's what I believe? Where'd you get that from? Now as to Hamas/occupation...
shira
Jul 2012
#17
Why do you repeat the same old, tired, refuted arguments? You make them, your arguments....
shira
Jul 2012
#49
So you think I'm for greater Israel, some form of apartheid, ethnic cleansing...or what? n/t
shira
Jul 2012
#46
At best, you're for reducing Palestinians to something like a Luxemburg-like statelet
Ken Burch
Jul 2012
#53
Really? After I've repeatedly said I'd accept the Clinton Initiatives and Olmert's offer...
shira
Jul 2012
#57
Ken, be honest. Where did I back Eldad's proposal? Or anything remotely rightwing?
shira
Jul 2012
#78
you get really close to it in posts 25, 33, 43, 75 in the linked thread(among others)
Ken Burch
Jul 2012
#89
You've gotta be kidding. Well, this proves you only battle make-believe straw man arguments...
shira
Jul 2012
#96
None of those links match the order of the names you posted, which matched Rense...
shira
Jul 2012
#75
Double standards means more is expected from Israel than any other nation on earth...
shira
Jul 2012
#18
If another country controls your airspace and water supply, you are NOT sovereign.
Ken Burch
Jul 2012
#15
The point of the OP is to show how Israel does not legally occupy Palestinian territory.
shira
Jul 2012
#34
Why do you think Israel's accusers insist Gaza is occupied? What's their goal? n/t
shira
Jul 2012
#45
The difference b/w occupation and siege is trivial? Do you even know the difference? n/t
shira
Jul 2012
#35
It is? So the USA is occupying over 25 other nations right now since US troops are deployed....
shira
Jul 2012
#39
Israel would have nothing to lose from allowing direct commercial airline service to Gaza.
Ken Burch
Jul 2012
#41
If Gaza is occupied then Israel is obligated to govern there, carry out all law and order there...
shira
Jul 2012
#36
If your army is on another country's soil, without invitation, for all practical purposes
Ken Burch
Jul 2012
#30
In a lot of ways, the U.S. has limited political choices in the countries where it's put troops
Ken Burch
Jul 2012
#42
You were wrong about troops on another nation's soil. You realized it and edited your post....
shira
Jul 2012
#50