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Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
57. Wikipedia: Susya
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:23 PM
Jul 2015

Source: Wikipedia
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Modern Era
Palestinian Susya, called Susya al-Qadima ('Old Susya') is a centuries' old village which written records attest the existence of from 1830. It is constituted of permanent cave homes. The construction the Israeli settlement in the neighbourhood of Palestinian Susya, called Susya Al-Qadime, their ownership of which land has been established in law, and which was located near the ancient synagogue, was decided by Israel and the World Zionist Organization in 1982, as part of 8 new settlements. In June 1986, Israel expropriated the village's residential ground for "public use", for an 'archeological park', evicting villagers from their homes and lands. The expelled Susyans settled in cave and tin shacks 500 metres away, at a site now called Rujum al-Hamri, to restart their lives. According to David Shulman, for some decades they were subject, to many violent attacks, and settler recourse to both civil and military courts, to drive them out. The BBC broadcast film of settler youths beating an old woman and her family with cudgels to drive them away from their land, in 2008.

Since then the local villages, like Palestinian Susya, have been losing land, and being cut off from each other, as the nearby settlements of Carmel, Maon, Susya and Beit Yatir began to be built and developed, and illegal outposts established. David Dean Shulman described the reality he observed in 2008:

Susya: where thirteen impoverished families are clinging tenaciously,but probably hopelessly, to the dry hilltop and the few fields that are all that remain of their vast ancestral lands.

The second expulsion took place in 1990, when Rujum al-Hamri's inhabitants were loaded onto trucks by the IDF and dumped at the Zif Junction, 15 kilometres northwards a roadside at the edge of a desert. Most returned and rebuilt on a rocky escarpment within their traditional agricultural and grazing territory. Their wells taken, they were forced to buy water from nearby Yatta. Israel sheep-herding settlers expanded their unfenced land use at Mitzpe Yair and the Dahlia Farm. According to B'tselem, by 2010 settlers were cultivating roughly 40 hectares, about 15% of the land area to which they deny access to the traditional Palestinian users of that area. Since 2000 Jewish settlers in Susiya have denied Palestinians access to 10 cisterns in the area, or according to more recent accounts,. and try to block their access to others. Soil at Susya, with a market value of NIS 2,000 per truckload, is also taken from lands belonging to the village of Yatta.

The third expulsion occurred in June 2001, when settler civilians and soldiers drove the Palestinians of Susya out, without warning, with, reportedly violent arrests and beatings, destroying their tents and caves, blocking their cisterns, killing their livestock and digging up their agricultural land. The settlers established a "Dahlia Farm" in the same year, and an outpost was set up on the archeological site. On Sept 26 of the same year, by an order of the Israeli Supreme Court, these structures were ordered to be destroyed and the land returned to the Palestinians. Settlers and the IDF prevented the villagers from reclaiming their land, some 750 acres. The villagers made an appeal to the same court to be allowed to reclaim their lands and live without harassment. Some 93 events of settler violence were listed. The settlers made a counter-appeal, and one family that had managed to return to its land suffered a third eviction. Land next to the Palestinian village of Susya was confiscated from the village of Yatta, from which a dozen local families had been expelled to make way on the pretext of archeological digs, according to one source. A major expansion of the new settlement began on 18 September 1999, when its boundaries expanded northwards and eastwards, with the Palestinian Shreiteh family allegedly losing roughly 150 more dunams.

According to B'tselem, the Palestinians that remain in the area live in tents on a small rocky hill between the settlement and the archeological park which is located within walking distance. According to Amnesty International, ten caves inhabited by Susya Palestinian families were blown up by the IDF in 1996, and some 113 tents were destroyed in 1998. Amnesty International also reports that official documents asking them to leave the area address them generically as 'intruders' (polesh/intruder). Most of the rain-catching water cisterns used by the local Palestinian farmers of Susya were demolished by the Israeli army in 1999 and 2001. A local Susya resident told Amnesty International,

'Water is life ; without water we can’t live; not us, not the animals, or the plants. Before we had some water, but after the army destroyed everything we have to bring water from far away ; it’s very difficult and expensive. They make our life very difficult, to make us leave.'
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Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susya


The information in the Wikipedia article seems to be at least in part corroborated by what's on the B'Tselem website, which has numerous items on the subject:

(Blog):State seeks to demolish about half of the village of Susiya before HCJ hearing (16 Jul 2015)
http://www.btselem.org/facing_expulsion_blog

Civil Administration maps Susiya – residents fear imminent demolition ( 10 May 2015)
http://www.btselem.org/press_releases/20150510_civil_administration_mapping_susiya

Khirbet Susiya – a village under threat of demolition (1 Jan 2013)
http://www.btselem.org/south_hebron_hills/susiya


Which side of the story are we to believe? The Israeli side or the Palestinian side?
Seems like 2naSalit Jul 2015 #1
The real victims? oberliner Jul 2015 #2
Yup. 2naSalit Jul 2015 #3
I don't understand oberliner Jul 2015 #4
What I understood from the comment, and I cannot speak for the poster, guillaumeb Jul 2015 #5
Nothing that you've written here is actually true oberliner Jul 2015 #6
Some clarification: guillaumeb Jul 2015 #7
Ok oberliner Jul 2015 #8
Turks and Palestinians are not the same people. eom guillaumeb Jul 2015 #9
Exactly oberliner Jul 2015 #10
And that makes it acceptable for one group to hand off power guillaumeb Jul 2015 #12
No oberliner Jul 2015 #24
Which has been replaced by a third colonial power. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #25
Yes, Israel has a vast colonial empire rivaling Britain, France, and the Ottoman Empire oberliner Jul 2015 #27
After you're finished throwing out the straw dog argument R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #28
He did, you just don't like the answer. Mosby Jul 2015 #31
Answering with a straw dog argument doesn't cut it. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #32
it's called a "straw man" argument Mosby Jul 2015 #33
Actually, the educated know it is called a straw dog, straw man and even an aunt sally. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #34
aunt sally is british Mosby Jul 2015 #35
And now that you have come to the realization that there are many ways to say the same thing let's R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #36
Your question #4 shira Jul 2015 #11
As to your ideas: guillaumeb Jul 2015 #13
My answers to you.. shira Jul 2015 #17
In regard to your theory of "longstanding presence", guillaumeb Jul 2015 #29
Yes, Palestinians have the right to longstanding presence, absolutely.... shira Jul 2015 #37
The only offer that makes sense and is fair to both sides guillaumeb Jul 2015 #53
Oh really? You're asking more than what the PA & Saudi Peace Plan call for. shira Jul 2015 #55
The Saudis are tools of the US and not to be trusted. guillaumeb Jul 2015 #58
And yet the PA accepts land swaps. You don't. Go figure. n/t shira Jul 2015 #61
Jerusalem should sabbat hunter Jul 2015 #82
Jerusalem was to remain an International City. guillaumeb Jul 2015 #94
Do you believe both ethnic groups have equal rights to the land between the Jordan river and the Little Tich Jul 2015 #15
I believe in 2 nation states side-by-side in peace. Each people with their own land.... shira Jul 2015 #18
So far, so good... Little Tich Jul 2015 #23
The Palestinians say they want a state in the W.Bank & Gaza.... shira Jul 2015 #38
They should be give the right of return from the country that ethnically cleansed them R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #39
Wow! Behold the wonderfully, humane pro-Palestinian viewpoint here! shira Jul 2015 #43
Keep on clutching those pearls when the truth is stated, shira. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #47
You really can't say you support Palestinian CHOICE to either.... shira Jul 2015 #48
"Why the discriminatory attitude against Palestinians?" R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #49
What is amazing is your theory of birthright citizenship. guillaumeb Jul 2015 #54
I believe Jews are indigenous to Israel and the territories. You deny it. shira Jul 2015 #56
No prospective immigrant or refugee has a right to citizenship guillaumeb Jul 2015 #59
They do when they're BORN in those lands. Just like all other people. shira Jul 2015 #62
The crime is not, as you put it, "being born in those nations", guillaumeb Jul 2015 #75
Many refugees during WW2 were driven out but made citizens along with their kids.... shira Jul 2015 #81
Interesting that you have decided what constitutes anti-Palestinian behavior, guillaumeb Jul 2015 #93
Why should one ethnic group have the right to more dibs on their ancestral homeland than the other? Little Tich Jul 2015 #41
I just asked u 2 questions but you're deflecting. I'm still waiting. shira Jul 2015 #42
Interesting R. Daneel that there has been so little discussion about the actual guillaumeb Jul 2015 #14
Look below. n/t shira Jul 2015 #20
(Regavim): Comment: The invention of the village of Susiya Little Tich Jul 2015 #16
That's the response to the OP that some here are asking for.... shira Jul 2015 #19
Did I take the bait, or did you take the bait? n/t Little Tich Jul 2015 #21
I commend you for bringing the Israeli side of the argument into play. n/t shira Jul 2015 #22
If I understand your response: guillaumeb Jul 2015 #30
I don't agree with Regavim at all. Little Tich Jul 2015 #40
That's nice, but the fact is no such village existed until just recently... shira Jul 2015 #45
Do u agree with the OP that this is evidence of ethnic cleansing? shira Jul 2015 #46
Of course it's ethnic cleansing. Little Tich Jul 2015 #50
Show me dictionary definitions of ethnic cleansing & apartheid..... shira Jul 2015 #52
Keep on moving those goal posts. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #74
If you're going to make preposterous claims, I'm going to challenge them. shira Jul 2015 #80
The OP wasn't preposterous, my F-grade friend. It's was a statement of fact. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #84
You can't defend the charge of "ethnic cleansing". You know that, I know that.... shira Jul 2015 #89
No matter how much you stomp your feet, make broad R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #92
All the articles slamming Israel for this act are lying about the situation. shira Jul 2015 #44
Wikipedia: Susya Little Tich Jul 2015 #57
Aerial photo from 1999. No historical village. shira Jul 2015 #64
There's an arrow pointing towards historical Susya, called "Archaeological Site" in English. n/t Little Tich Jul 2015 #66
Yep, that's an ancient Jewish archaeological site. Now here's an aerial photo.... shira Jul 2015 #69
Some gaps may simply be too large to bridge. Little Tich Jul 2015 #73
I hate, hate, hate the terms "extermination" and "ethnic cleansing." merrily Jul 2015 #26
It's comically sad that some will go to great lengths R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #51
Do you believe Israel expelling Jewish squatters in remote outposts is ethnic cleansing? shira Jul 2015 #60
Not a single settler has a right to live in the West Bank or EJ, Little Tich Jul 2015 #63
That's Hamas propaganda. Translated as no Jews have any right to live... shira Jul 2015 #65
Perhaps the UN should pass a resolution on the subject, affirming the inadmissibility of the Little Tich Jul 2015 #67
They've only had 45 years to do so. shira Jul 2015 #70
They are illegal Israeli settlers. But thak you for conflating Jew to equal Israeli once again. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #68
Show me a binding document stating settlers are illegal. shira Jul 2015 #71
I'm not playing your goal post game tonight, champ. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #72
Got it. You have nothing. Just say so next time. n/t shira Jul 2015 #77
How's that fear of the inevitable BDS coming along? R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #78
You prove how rotten BDS is. As you know, it's based on complete BS.... shira Jul 2015 #83
BDS isn't rotten, poor shira. BDs has a noble cause: the end of apartheid. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #86
It's based on lies & arguments you know you can't justify or defend. shira Jul 2015 #87
There is nothing objective in your posts, IMHO, R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #90
Should your question not be: guillaumeb Jul 2015 #76
If it were illegal according to IHL, then the UN wouldn't have tried in 2011... shira Jul 2015 #79
It's a hoot watching you shell everybody around you with your R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #85
Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #88
Too much projection, on your part, is a sorry R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #91
And when they have trouble erasing the Palestinians in one place... R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #95
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