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joshcryer

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12. Unlikely, tar sands are still vastly larger.

Sat Nov 29, 2014, 10:14 AM

Nov 2014

It's easing Bakken production which the Saudi's are afraid will open up even more shale resources, thus rendering US dependence on the middle east moot. They're just delaying the inevitable.

Bakken producers will definitely be feathering operations and laying people off.

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Oil prices keep plummeting as OPEC starts a price war with the US [View all] joshcryer Nov 2014 OP

Hey, if the price we have to pay to stop fracking is cheap gas, I'll learn to cope. n/t eggplant Nov 2014 #1

So is any of this somehow a good thing? I don't see how. Leopolds Ghost Nov 2014 #2

It could stop the tar sands extraction OnlinePoker Nov 2014 #9

Yes, but joshcryer seems to be saying it's a good thing if nobody can stop the shale oil extraction Leopolds Ghost Nov 2014 #10

A good thing? joshcryer Nov 2014 #11

Give me the short version of it. Leopolds Ghost Nov 2014 #15

Unlikely, tar sands are still vastly larger. joshcryer Nov 2014 #12

Tar sands are destroying the boreal forest Leopolds Ghost Nov 2014 #18

Sadly, that applies to many things. joshcryer Nov 2014 #24

Is that in Alberta? Sad. :( Leopolds Ghost Nov 2014 #25

The most disturbing sci-fi short story I ever read was inspired by views of the arctic strip mining Leopolds Ghost Nov 2014 #27

It still boggles my mind that Bakken is brighter than Minneapolis. joshcryer Dec 2014 #38

Sickening. Leopolds Ghost Dec 2014 #48

Oh my fucking God. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #60

The US is on an energy independent road-map by 2030-2050. joshcryer Nov 2014 #13

Energy independent =/= decreased consumption of fossil fuels Leopolds Ghost Nov 2014 #17

You don't get there by 2050 without decreased consumption. joshcryer Nov 2014 #22

Not going to happen, because of the shale decline rate. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #19

That's Bakken shale. joshcryer Nov 2014 #23

It's Bakken and Eagle Ford combined. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #28

Technology to produce Green River benefits everyone. joshcryer Dec 2014 #37

The Marcellus has steep decline rates as well Champion Jack Dec 2014 #59

The problem with that is that it hasn't been true so far FBaggins Dec 2014 #41

Green River Shale Deposits cantbeserious Nov 2014 #30

Bullshit that oil is for export. upaloopa Dec 2014 #53

If it's a price war....... DeSwiss Nov 2014 #3

KSA wants to maintain its share of the market... quadrature Nov 2014 #4

so OPEC is against the Keystone pipeline? greymattermom Nov 2014 #5

Interesting point, since Keystone is about Bakken more than tar sands. joshcryer Nov 2014 #14

Another reason to oppose it. nt Leopolds Ghost Nov 2014 #16

I love fracking. Fracking is cool. End of story. nt delrem Nov 2014 #6

I have friends who lost everything to Fracking. Champion Jack Nov 2014 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Nov 2014 #20

sorry. 'twas a sloppy attempt at sarcasm. delrem Nov 2014 #21

So this is KSA essentially throwing a hissy fit? Odin2005 Nov 2014 #7

I'd llike to know how much of U.S. shale oil is refined for U.S. use. snappyturtle Nov 2014 #26

All of it; the USA is not an exporter of crude oil. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #29

Thank you for your answer but it doesn't answer my question. I'll put it snappyturtle Nov 2014 #32

Nope Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #33

Again thank you. You've answered my question. I guess I am an advocate snappyturtle Nov 2014 #34

The American economy would be kind of fucked if oil-exporting countries had that attitude. (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #35

Sheikdoms et al. like $$$$. No fear...and of course, we need the petro dollar. nt snappyturtle Nov 2014 #36

Import is declining by 100-200 million barrels a year. joshcryer Dec 2014 #39

3.3 billion Spider Jerusalem Dec 2014 #40

Decline rate of shale is in question. joshcryer Dec 2014 #42

No, it really isn't. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2014 #43

Yes, it really is FBaggins Dec 2014 #44

You're making it pretty clear that you haven't Spider Jerusalem Dec 2014 #45

Hmmm. FBaggins Dec 2014 #46

"Peakist" argument? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2014 #47

That's correct. "Peakist" FBaggins Dec 2014 #49

Your argument is fairly irrational, honestly. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2014 #57

Care to revisit those claims eight months later? FBaggins Aug 2015 #61

We started exporting crude oil in July of this year. upaloopa Dec 2014 #54

Not really. FBaggins Dec 2014 #55

No. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2014 #56

Perhaps... 2naSalit Nov 2014 #31

It's important to note that "OPEC starts a price war with the US" isn't a very accurate title. FBaggins Dec 2014 #50

You make a good point, I had an analogy. joshcryer Dec 2014 #58

Why? Getting oil from shale involves fracking which upaloopa Dec 2014 #51

Gee, Citi is telling it's investors that oil has bottomed out!! louis-t Dec 2014 #52