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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
24. That is exactly what the major accident coverage is - and they don't pay "premiums"
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 12:06 AM
Feb 2014
6.1.2. Mandated Liability Coverage Is Small Relative to Potential Damages
Price-Anderson mandates two tiers of coverage for nuclear reactors. The first is a conventional liability insurance policy that provides $375 million in primary coverage per reactor. As of 2008 (with somewhat lower coverage levels than now in
effect), the average annual premium for a single-unit reactor site was $400,000; the premiums for a second or third reactor at the same site are discounted to reflect a sharing of limits (NRC 2008a). While coverage has increased incrementally over time, these increases are small: on an inflation-adjusted basis, coverage is less than 10 percent higher than the $60 million in primary insurance required under the original act 50 years ago. The lack of useful actuarial data may have justified lower-than-appropriate limits in the 1950s. However, improved data since that time, as well as the greater sophistication of insurance underwriting, should result in primary insurance policies that are substantially larger than today’s Price-Anderson requirements.
A second tier of coverage under Price-Anderson involves retrospective premiums paid into a common pool by every reactor if any reactor in the country experiences an accident with damages exceeding the primary insurance cap. The retrospective premiums have a gross value of $111.9 million available for damages, with an optional 5 percent surcharge available for legal costs only (bringing the combined total to $117.5 million) (ANI 2010, Holt 2010). Retrospective premium payments are capped at $17.5 million per year per reactor and thus can take seven years or more to be paid in full. Some additional coverage is available via the Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act: if the president declares a nuclear accident an emergency or major disaster, disaster relief could flow to first responders. Stafford Act funds would also come from taxpayers, and thus would be subsidies as well.
Koplow pg 79-80

"The lack of useful actuarial data may have justified lower-than-appropriate limits in the 1950s. However, improved data since that time, as well as the greater sophistication of insurance underwriting, should result in primary insurance policies that are substantially larger than today’s Price-Anderson requirements."

" Retrospective premium payments are capped at $17.5 million per year per reactor and thus can take seven years or more to be paid in full."

50 years after it received help getting started in the form of the Price Anderson Act, you wants to continue to subsidize the nuclear industry by allowing it to shift the cost of risks associated with its operation onto the backs of the public.

Why is that right?

Well, according to you its right because the airline industry has managed to hang onto a similar form of risk shifting. That doesn't justify the special treatment for the nuclear industry since two "wrongs" do not equal one "right". The airlines serve a social useful function but in fact the rail system as a viable alternative suffers greatly from a deck stacked against it. removing liability limits on airlines might make a difference, but the worst case scenarios for airlines are so vastly less expensive than those that could be expected with a nuclear accident, that I don't think it would actually make much of a competitive difference to rail.

That isn't the case for the alternatives to nuclear however. Just like with fossil fuels, one of the primary advantages of renewable technologies are their very low level of negative externalities. It isn't hard to understand why we want coal to accept it's externalized cost into its pricing structure, so why would it be any more difficult to thing that nuclear should meet the same standard?

We don't need nuclear; all you are doing with your antirenewable pronuclear crusade is slowing the transition away from carbon. There are reasons Roger Ailes and others like him embrace nuclear power, and your continued zeal to ignore those reasons belies all you say about your positive motives.
Just stop and give this some thought for a moment madokie Feb 2014 #1
Yes, they love to hide behind the difficulty in tracking nuclear related cancer related fatalities kristopher Feb 2014 #14
Without a doubt madokie Feb 2014 #15
Am not pro-nuke but if we had Yucca Mtn indie9197 Feb 2014 #2
The solution to *this* problem would be to move the SNF to dry storage kristopher Feb 2014 #3
I scanned the article, do not understand legaleze so much indie9197 Feb 2014 #5
That's not a truth; it's a falsehood Altair_IV Feb 2014 #9
No, it is the truth kristopher Feb 2014 #13
Reading Comprehension Problem? Altair_IV Feb 2014 #16
A consortium of nuclear companies that self insure doesn't really qualify as "commercial insurer"... kristopher Feb 2014 #22
ANI is not "nuclear companies that self insure" FBaggins Feb 2014 #23
That is exactly what the major accident coverage is - and they don't pay "premiums" kristopher Feb 2014 #24
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"James Hansen" is not "the scientific community" kristopher Feb 2014 #27
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Being "pronuclear" is not the same as proving nuclear is needed kristopher Feb 2014 #32
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I said show the science if you have it - apparently you don't have it. kristopher Feb 2014 #36
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No, by any standard that is not better. kristopher Feb 2014 #40
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A citation for the claims you've made, please. kristopher Feb 2014 #42
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You said you were going by NAS work from 1992 - start there. kristopher Feb 2014 #44
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So you don't have a 1992 reference as you claimed. kristopher Feb 2014 #46
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You said you have a reference and clearly you don't. kristopher Feb 2014 #48
Did you actually read the POPA report? caraher Feb 2014 #59
"We don't need citations, statistical studies, and what not. " caraher Feb 2014 #57
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Nuclear power plants are not good at load following madokie Feb 2014 #49
That's not quite true. FBaggins Feb 2014 #51
You don't change the rotational speed of an AC generator to regulate the voltage output madokie Feb 2014 #53
So? FBaggins Feb 2014 #58
I didn't say it couldn't be done madokie Feb 2014 #62
You can't dodge the context of your comment FBaggins Feb 2014 #65
I corrected them too so where was I wrong madokie Feb 2014 #67
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You know who is on your side? Roger Ailes et al. kristopher Feb 2014 #34
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No, that's just your habit of twisting things to suit yourself kristopher Feb 2014 #28
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Not at all. kristopher Feb 2014 #33
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We're not talking about automobile insurance here madokie Feb 2014 #55
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Find someone else to pick nits with madokie Feb 2014 #64
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Remember at first she was saying she was a Physicist madokie Feb 2014 #50
Physicists aren't scientists now? FBaggins Feb 2014 #52
What ever madokie Feb 2014 #54
It isn't? FBaggins Feb 2014 #56
Nothing left over? FBaggins Feb 2014 #18
Confusion Altair_IV Feb 2014 #20
The filing to the NRC (the PDF) asks them to make changes in how they license reactors kristopher Feb 2014 #12
Whose fault is that? Altair_IV Feb 2014 #17
More misinformation from kristopher Altair_IV Feb 2014 #21
The report says just the opposite. FBaggins Feb 2014 #19
Not really madokie Feb 2014 #4
There's so much waste, it will take decades to move it. bananas Feb 2014 #6
The nuclear power companies are the ones that *want* to go to dry casks.. Altair_IV Feb 2014 #10
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There was a spent fuel pool fire at Fukushima bananas Feb 2014 #7
No there wasn't. FBaggins Feb 2014 #8
That's correct. Altair_IV Feb 2014 #11
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