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kristopher

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22. A consortium of nuclear companies that self insure doesn't really qualify as "commercial insurer"...
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 07:24 PM
Feb 2014

...unless you are straining at gnats; a favorite hobby of yours, we know.

From the view of the public, they are not covered and there is no policy they can buy that will cover them - which is what I believe indie9197 was saying.

In an attempt to deploy one of your canned misdirections, YOU were the one that brought up the self insurance scam the nuclear industry is using to avoid paying market rates for the actual amount of insurance they would need to cover the losses from accidents that might result from their technology.

This analysis is extremely conservative as it uses the $100B in damages from earlier studies instead of the $250B and rising figure we see with Fukushima - and remember the high density population areas were spared by a fortunate wind that blew to sea instead of inland.

Although the probability of a large nuclear accident within the United States is considered quite low, that risk is not zero. Further, the damages from even a moderate accident are potentially so enormous that they would likely bankrupt the firm involved. Costs resulting from a large release of radiation from a damaged nuclear reactor or spent-fuel pool at a U.S. facility could exceed $100 billion (Beyea, Lyman, and von Hippel 2004, cited in Lochbaum 2007).
Moreover, risks in the nuclear power indus- try are systemic. An accident in one place has ripple effects throughout the industry, given that many reactors rely on the same technologies, were built by the same contractors, or employ similar defenses (in the case of a terrorist attack). Even when systems and technologies are not overlap- ping, an accident anywhere raises public concern everywhere, and reactor oversight (and associated regulatory and remediation compliance costs) are likely to rise.

One economic response to this problem would be to include the price of risk of the entire nuclear fuel cycle into insurance contracts or other methods of syndicating risk, and let prices rise where they may. If insurance coverage were not available or only available at very high costs, innovative risk- management tools such as risk pooling (as is done under Price-Anderson) or catastrophe bonds could be developed. If even these tools proved to be inadequate or too expensive, markets would be directed toward alternative and less expensive ways to meet the demand for energy services.

Unfortunately, the political response to the problem of high risk in the nuclear industry has followed the opposite path. The statutory caps on the level of private accident insurance that the industry is required to carry under the Price- Anderson Act essentially dampen the impact of risk on the price of nuclear power, and they weaken the political and economic incentives to increase the level of private insurance coverage.


NUCLEAR POWER:Still Not Viable without Subsidies
Doug Koplow pg 77-78
Earth Track, Inc 2011
Just stop and give this some thought for a moment madokie Feb 2014 #1
Yes, they love to hide behind the difficulty in tracking nuclear related cancer related fatalities kristopher Feb 2014 #14
Without a doubt madokie Feb 2014 #15
Am not pro-nuke but if we had Yucca Mtn indie9197 Feb 2014 #2
The solution to *this* problem would be to move the SNF to dry storage kristopher Feb 2014 #3
I scanned the article, do not understand legaleze so much indie9197 Feb 2014 #5
That's not a truth; it's a falsehood Altair_IV Feb 2014 #9
No, it is the truth kristopher Feb 2014 #13
Reading Comprehension Problem? Altair_IV Feb 2014 #16
A consortium of nuclear companies that self insure doesn't really qualify as "commercial insurer"... kristopher Feb 2014 #22
ANI is not "nuclear companies that self insure" FBaggins Feb 2014 #23
That is exactly what the major accident coverage is - and they don't pay "premiums" kristopher Feb 2014 #24
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"James Hansen" is not "the scientific community" kristopher Feb 2014 #27
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Being "pronuclear" is not the same as proving nuclear is needed kristopher Feb 2014 #32
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I said show the science if you have it - apparently you don't have it. kristopher Feb 2014 #36
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No, by any standard that is not better. kristopher Feb 2014 #40
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A citation for the claims you've made, please. kristopher Feb 2014 #42
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You said you were going by NAS work from 1992 - start there. kristopher Feb 2014 #44
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So you don't have a 1992 reference as you claimed. kristopher Feb 2014 #46
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You said you have a reference and clearly you don't. kristopher Feb 2014 #48
Did you actually read the POPA report? caraher Feb 2014 #59
"We don't need citations, statistical studies, and what not. " caraher Feb 2014 #57
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Nuclear power plants are not good at load following madokie Feb 2014 #49
That's not quite true. FBaggins Feb 2014 #51
You don't change the rotational speed of an AC generator to regulate the voltage output madokie Feb 2014 #53
So? FBaggins Feb 2014 #58
I didn't say it couldn't be done madokie Feb 2014 #62
You can't dodge the context of your comment FBaggins Feb 2014 #65
I corrected them too so where was I wrong madokie Feb 2014 #67
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You know who is on your side? Roger Ailes et al. kristopher Feb 2014 #34
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No, that's just your habit of twisting things to suit yourself kristopher Feb 2014 #28
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Not at all. kristopher Feb 2014 #33
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We're not talking about automobile insurance here madokie Feb 2014 #55
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Find someone else to pick nits with madokie Feb 2014 #64
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Remember at first she was saying she was a Physicist madokie Feb 2014 #50
Physicists aren't scientists now? FBaggins Feb 2014 #52
What ever madokie Feb 2014 #54
It isn't? FBaggins Feb 2014 #56
Nothing left over? FBaggins Feb 2014 #18
Confusion Altair_IV Feb 2014 #20
The filing to the NRC (the PDF) asks them to make changes in how they license reactors kristopher Feb 2014 #12
Whose fault is that? Altair_IV Feb 2014 #17
More misinformation from kristopher Altair_IV Feb 2014 #21
The report says just the opposite. FBaggins Feb 2014 #19
Not really madokie Feb 2014 #4
There's so much waste, it will take decades to move it. bananas Feb 2014 #6
The nuclear power companies are the ones that *want* to go to dry casks.. Altair_IV Feb 2014 #10
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There was a spent fuel pool fire at Fukushima bananas Feb 2014 #7
No there wasn't. FBaggins Feb 2014 #8
That's correct. Altair_IV Feb 2014 #11
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