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FBaggins

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14. Your analogy is close... but the small differences are vital.
Wed Feb 20, 2013, 02:48 PM
Feb 2013

What you're claiming is essentially that there are two incompatible forms of life. Earth and Planet X. Then you place orangutangs in with planet X life because - rather than sharing all but a few dna sequences - they have a handful of similarities.

Even closer to the argument... it's really that they have little to nothing in common with life from planet x... but they have some nutritional value that planet X life must have in order to survive on their own. So because the new life can't survive here without orangutangs losing their already-existing purpose and becoming a nutritional supplement - you pretend that it's really the same thing as being part of the system of planet X life.

You can't make a legitimate case for nuclear power,

Of course you can. In fact it's easy. It's the only energy source that can replace fossil generation almost entirely and still meet the growing power demands of an ever-hungrier world.

Finding yet another published paper in an almost-unheard-of journal from some 2nd/3rd-tier school claiming that renewables can carry the load 99.9% by next Wednesday won't make that any closer to the truth. No matter how many times you spam it.

which is why you spend all of your time arguing logical fallacies and trying to drown out the message of renewables.

Another claim that doesn't get any closer to the truth for incessant repetition. I'm a big fan of renewables. I'm just not a fan of claims that aren't true. I'm in favor of spending money subsidizing solar/wind with large sums... I'm not in favor of pretending that those sums aren't needed... or that such generation is now cheaper than gas/coal. I'm in favor of continued research into wave power... but not in favor of pretending that large-scale commercial plants will be ubiquitous in a couple years because it's really "off the shelf" technology anyway.

See the difference?

I didn't think so.

What's wrong is that it doesn't address the real problem. GliderGuider Feb 2013 #1
Or ... Scuba Feb 2013 #2
Unfortunately, that doesn't address the real problem either. GliderGuider Feb 2013 #4
Yeah, 'cause the sun's gonna burn out in a couple years, right? Scuba Feb 2013 #6
No, not that. GliderGuider Feb 2013 #8
Yes, and we've had that type of analysis since the 70s. kristopher Feb 2013 #9
Couple problems. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #3
It isn't suspicious really. kristopher Feb 2013 #18
Ignoring solar power for the UK is justifiable muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #19
London and Seattle have roughly the same kWh/m2/day. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #20
Can we check units? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #22
South-facing portion of my neighbor's house is about 1200sq feet AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #23
McKays analysis on that website is grossly in error. kristopher Feb 2013 #21
Can't get by without the straw men, eh? FBaggins Feb 2013 #5
You can't justify nuclear without limiting the competition kristopher Feb 2013 #7
Of course you can. FBaggins Feb 2013 #10
Hydro isn't like nuclear kristopher Feb 2013 #11
I clearly said "almost all ways that matter" FBaggins Feb 2013 #12
The difference is crucial kristopher Feb 2013 #13
Your analogy is close... but the small differences are vital. FBaggins Feb 2013 #14
Your rationalizations are really becoming pathetic kristopher Feb 2013 #15
Interesting that you accuse others of ad hominem attacks. FBaggins Feb 2013 #16
I'm still waiting for you to provide a "straightforward objection" kristopher Feb 2013 #17
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