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In reply to the discussion: Jevons: a 19th Century Zeno [View all]OKIsItJustMe
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Jevons was making an observation about human psychology, not math or physics
phantom power
Jan 2013
#1
I don't think there's any implied statement about price of resources going down...
phantom power
Jan 2013
#12
Money made available as a result of efficiency doesn't need to be created by fiat.
GliderGuider
Jan 2013
#26
The $100 worth of energy I “saved” would have come from resource extraction
OKIsItJustMe
Jan 2013
#43
I will agree that improving efficiency does not correlate well with a society using less energy
OKIsItJustMe
Jan 2013
#67
Yes - fewer energy sources, fewer manufactured goods, greater transportation costs,
GliderGuider
Jan 2013
#69
“A better example would be people simply switching to a lower wattage traditional bulb…”
OKIsItJustMe
Jan 2013
#25
Those studies were done in the early 80s regarding efficiency standards implemented in late 70s
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#51
"Economic Implications of Mandated Efficiency Standards for Household Appliances."
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#55
Can you document this? (i.e. that more efficient cars lead to more consumption.)
OKIsItJustMe
Jan 2013
#41
The specific Jevons-style rebound is probably less significant than general growth
GliderGuider
Jan 2013
#30
In any case, it isn't a strict "rule" but an explanation of observed market behavior
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#31
Fine, but what's relevant to you is not close to being relevant to society as a whole
wtmusic
Jan 2013
#94
Presuming that society on a whole will not lower the carbon-intensity of their energy
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#96
In general, we are going about pretending we don't even have to think about these matters
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#90
With transglobal corporate monsters ruling all, Zeno's paradox certainly applies to you and me...
Peace Patriot
Jan 2013
#76