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MADem

(135,425 posts)
93. I guess they've got paid shills over at GUARDIAN UK, too, then? They're saying they didn't turn out.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 03:00 AM
Mar 2015

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/15/brazil-protesters-rouseff-impeachment-petrobas

Many said they were marching because of the Petrobras scandal, which has seen 57 politicians, including former president Fernando Collor de Mello, investigated for kick-backs worth at least $3bn (£2.03bn). Rousseff is not under investigation but as a former chair of Petrobras during the period when much of the corruption took place, she has struggled to avoid being tainted by a scandal that has implicated allies and opponents alike.

Although all the major parties have been dragged into the mire, most of those implicated are from the ruling coalition and the demonstrators were collecting signatures calling for the impeachment of Rousseff.

“It’s unbelievable. They aren’t politicians. They are criminals,” said India Longras, who beat a frying pan painted with “Fora Dilma”. “I was born in the military dictatorship. It was a lot better than now. If I had to choose between then and now, I’d choose dictatorship. Education was better, crime was low and the poor lived with dignity.”

Calls for a military coup were less evident at the bigger rallies in São Paulo and Brasilia. Sunday’s protests were the biggest in Brazil since 2013, but the profile and politics of the participants were very different and they passed more peacefully. The Confederations Cup demonstrations two years ago had their origins in a campaign to secure free public transport and spread rapidly particularly among the young, via social networks after police violence inflamed public opinion. The latest wave of protests, however, is from an older, whiter, more affluent demographic, following widespread advance coverage by the mainstream media.

Anticipating this, the Workers Party organised a rally last Friday in support of the government and state control of Petrobras, but there were less than a thousand people at their main demonstration in central Rio.


This is the left-liberal paper, mind you:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/17/brazil-crisis-petrobas-scandal-dilma-rousseff-protests

The Petrobras scandal was high among a long list of grievances that brought people to the streets on Sunday. Estimates of the number of protesters range from hundreds of thousands to more than 1.5 million — huge by any standard. Countless others also came to their balconies and windows to clang their pots and pans in disapproval at government policies. The domestic media reported demonstrations in more than 160 cities.

Workers’ Party struggles
It was a shock for the Workers’ Party, which rose to power through mass mobilisations, but now appears to have lost the streets. Pro-government rallies called by trade unions two days earlier attracted only a tiny fraction of this interest. In São Paulo, the turnout was around 10,000. In central Rio, it was probably less than 1,000.....
LOL OBenario Mar 2015 #1
Why don't you write to the author of the article and get those names and report back? MADem Mar 2015 #2
Your link doesn't say anything about "dozens of Workers' Party" members. OBenario Mar 2015 #3
Yes, it does. It says 26, to be precise--that's two more than two dozen. MADem Mar 2015 #6
The article doesn't say those 26... OBenario Mar 2015 #9
They're dancing with the ones what brung 'em! MADem Mar 2015 #12
you prove once again you don't know anything about this OBenario Mar 2015 #17
Those are two of thirty four politicians. nt MADem Mar 2015 #27
70% of the politicians charged... OBenario Mar 2015 #30
Really. You should read before trying to comment. MADem Mar 2015 #34
yeah, they are the dozens that showed up for the feeble Friday pro-corruption march nt Bacchus4.0 Mar 2015 #4
Then give their names. OBenario Mar 2015 #5
I think you need to prove that the sources are lying, and you can't do that. MADem Mar 2015 #7
this artcles says 26 were charged. OBenario Mar 2015 #11
I've given you several articles with names in them. If you want to pretend there's nothing to see MADem Mar 2015 #15
i dont OBenario Mar 2015 #42
You're the one who misread the article in the first place--and now you're yelling at everyone MADem Mar 2015 #45
the author if the thread... OBenario Mar 2015 #54
See? You just proved my point. "The author of the thread" said NOTHING of the sort. MADem Mar 2015 #56
well... OBenario Mar 2015 #78
No, you need to apologize to the thread starter for misrepresenting his thread. MADem Mar 2015 #83
So I'm guessing you consider The Guardian to be an unreliable right-wing source? N/t Marksman_91 Mar 2015 #8
nope OBenario Mar 2015 #10
Uh....I linked to a GUARDIAN article. MADem Mar 2015 #13
the Guardian... OBenario Mar 2015 #14
No--that's where they got their money. nt MADem Mar 2015 #16
most politicians charged... OBenario Mar 2015 #19
You need to go back and do some reading. CAREFUL reading. One. Word. at. a. time. MADem Mar 2015 #29
Prove it. Name them, and their political affiliations. If you can't do that, we'll know what MADem Mar 2015 #36
Looks like someone joined up just for this particular issue Bacchus4.0 Mar 2015 #20
I know--few on DU would even give a crap one way or another--it's kind of funny. MADem Mar 2015 #22
saying you don't know anything about this topic... OBenario Mar 2015 #24
I know more about it than someone who can't tell a charge from an investigation. nt MADem Mar 2015 #31
clearly not. OBenario Mar 2015 #33
Well, I won't believe you until you post them here for us to see. Prove it!!! nt MADem Mar 2015 #35
I'll a make a thread about it. OBenario Mar 2015 #44
No--you need to post those details in THIS thread, and not spam the board with multiple threads MADem Mar 2015 #48
If my intention was to pretend it isn't happening... OBenario Mar 2015 #84
From the Guardian article: Marksman_91 Mar 2015 #18
Good. You have one name of the Workers Party... OBenario Mar 2015 #21
You're having trouble reading the article, apparently. Go back and read it slowly. MADem Mar 2015 #23
well OBenario Mar 2015 #25
Do prosecutors release the names of people who are under "INVESTIGATION" before they've MADem Mar 2015 #26
nope. OBenario Mar 2015 #28
No they aren't. But if they are, I challenge you to post them here. MADem Mar 2015 #32
Our friend is playing games, he is the one asserting that the politicians are NOT Bacchus4.0 Mar 2015 #37
then present their names... OBenario Mar 2015 #41
You are the one who claimed they are listed--so list them. nt MADem Mar 2015 #67
don't worry OBenario Mar 2015 #79
Never seen anything quite like this. MADem Mar 2015 #43
It doesn't make sense to see you assaulting this new DU'er relentlessly. Judi Lynn Mar 2015 #51
The poor little " new ... DUer" attacked the thread starter with a false assertion. MADem Mar 2015 #59
don't worry OBenario Mar 2015 #38
Ok, looking forward to your post nt Bacchus4.0 Mar 2015 #39
If you don't post them here, I will have to assume that you are here at DU to disrupt. MADem Mar 2015 #40
I didn't read anywhere... OBenario Mar 2015 #47
It's not a question of what I like--when you post multiple threads on the same topic, you are MADem Mar 2015 #49
looks like you're trying to intimidate me. OBenario Mar 2015 #50
Why do you keep calling me "Honey?" Does that make you feel tough or superior, or something? MADem Mar 2015 #64
1-6 Leave-- msanthrope Mar 2015 #53
Dilma Rousseff did not fight against the right-wing military dictatorship, suffer horrific torture Judi Lynn Mar 2015 #46
K/R Dawson Leery Mar 2015 #52
It truly is, isn't it? Progressive people support Dilma Rousseff and her entire life's work. n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2015 #57
Attacks seem to be concentrated on the same battlefield by the same platoon with the same dud ammo. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #69
Rousseff is now under attack by the same folks attacking Maduro, Morales, anyone not kowtowing to Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #55
They don't conceal their real political leanings at all. No one is fooled. n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2015 #58
Just have to make sure they get it that they are not fooling any onlookers either. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #63
Poor Dilma, now in the company of Maduro. Bacchus4.0 Mar 2015 #60
Truly, no one on DU is being fooled into demonizing entire emergent socialist Latin America. People Power is here to stay. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #61
I actually didn't realize to what depths she has reached. Bacchus4.0 Mar 2015 #65
Boring beyond speech...... Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #68
your new username? quite fitting. Bacchus4.0 Mar 2015 #73
which actions by Rousseff... OBenario Mar 2015 #81
She has reached a Maduro level approval rating. Her scandal and the economic Bacchus4.0 Mar 2015 #85
why? OBenario Mar 2015 #86
Had forgotten about their training manuals. They've been doing the same things a LONG time. Judi Lynn Mar 2015 #74
I rather doubt that the people who voted for her, and now are saying she needs to go, are fascists. MADem Mar 2015 #62
once again you show you ignore the subject. OBenario Mar 2015 #77
No, looks like that is YOUR error: "Brazil's mounting job losses turn Rousseff bedrock to quicksand" MADem Mar 2015 #87
they went in fact to the streets on March 13 OBenario Mar 2015 #88
Not that many people consider financial magazines as true guides to the inner workings Judi Lynn Mar 2015 #90
Rousseff is the like the Latin American Warren and the Aztec Amazons wrapped into one real life super hero. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #66
Elizabeth Warren would have not allowed all of that corruption over the course of a decade. MADem Mar 2015 #70
You forgot the sarcasm emoticon? Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #71
Nope. MADem Mar 2015 #72
similar approval rating she had... OBenario Mar 2015 #80
Union workers are now fascists? OK, whatever. nt MADem Mar 2015 #82
usually no. OBenario Mar 2015 #89
Good one! Some have been known to simply turn in articles based on tv news in their hotel rooms. Judi Lynn Mar 2015 #91
I guess they've got paid shills over at GUARDIAN UK, too, then? They're saying they didn't turn out. MADem Mar 2015 #93
Misinformation, for a change... OBenario Mar 2015 #94
I read it--but you're saying that Guardian UK is lying? MADem Mar 2015 #95
Apparently you've not paid close attention to the Guardian over the last years. Judi Lynn Mar 2015 #96
OK, so YOU are saying that GUARDIAN UK is lying, too? MADem Mar 2015 #97
Great point, exactly right. By the way, never expected to see Forbes with a cover like that! n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2015 #75
I am sure they are preparing another less flattering cover, if needed. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #76
We can depend upon them for that! Nothing would make them happier. Judi Lynn Mar 2015 #92
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