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Starry Messenger

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Mon May 28, 2012, 12:51 AM May 2012

Under Socialism, you get to keep your stuff. [View all]

Since this keeps coming up in other places, I thought I would post this relevant bit from the Manifesto here:



In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property.

We Communists have been reproached with the desire of abolishing the right of personally acquiring property as the fruit of a man’s own labour, which property is alleged to be the groundwork of all personal freedom, activity and independence.

Hard-won, self-acquired, self-earned property! Do you mean the property of petty artisan and of the small peasant, a form of property that preceded the bourgeois form? There is no need to abolish that; the development of industry has to a great extent already destroyed it, and is still destroying it daily.

Or do you mean the modern bourgeois private property?



Unless you own a mine, railroad, corporate mega-farm, or other monopoly of "commanding heights" of public resources that would probably be better off nationalized in the commons, you get to keep your stuff. This nonsense about the shoemaker, baker and candlestick maker having their little bit of earth appropriated is nonsense that has been smeared around for 150 years. The people who spread that kind of propaganda are usually billionaires like Pere Koch. <---link to actual Koch smears of Communism.

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This message was self-deleted by its author Confusious May 2012 #1
??????????????????? JDPriestly May 2012 #2
Was there a question in there or did your cat get on the keyboard? Starry Messenger May 2012 #3
Having traveled to China long ago Mosaic May 2012 #4
This does keep coming up............. socialist_n_TN May 2012 #5
I hear it from students too, so it's getting taught this way on purpose. Starry Messenger May 2012 #6
And it is the way it is taught in civics classes. Odin2005 May 2012 #19
You get to keep your stuff and your religion. white_wolf May 2012 #7
My answer is that the early Bolshevik Party........ socialist_n_TN May 2012 #11
I agree, but it seems many leftists don't. white_wolf May 2012 #12
I think some folks on RevLeft just went through Marx with a hilighter pen Starry Messenger May 2012 #14
When I was still a Catholic, there social-justice teachings was what drew me to them. white_wolf May 2012 #15
During the October Revolution.......... socialist_n_TN May 2012 #16
I know a bunch of those kind of "Marxists" on campus, here. Odin2005 May 2012 #20
Awesome. limpyhobbler May 2012 #8
Good thread. I suspect that when people think "property" they are thinking about homes and small jwirr May 2012 #9
Thank you jwirr! Starry Messenger May 2012 #10
Even the family farms in states like Iowa are huge and run like factory farms. Here in Minnesota jwirr May 2012 #13
My boss's in-laws own an organic farm up in the McIntosh area. Odin2005 May 2012 #21
There is a huge distinction between personal property and private property in Marxism Taverner May 2012 #17
I get sick of correcting the "socialists want to take away my stuff" thing. Odin2005 May 2012 #18
expropriate the nation's candlestick makers BOG PERSON May 2012 #22
I take a tallow view of such shenanigans. nt Starry Messenger May 2012 #23
LOL! What a "flame" Starry........ socialist_n_TN May 2012 #24
:D Starry Messenger May 2012 #25
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