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seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
25. how can you say porn is degrading to women
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 09:45 AM
Apr 2012

"I was addicted to porn for two years," says Scott Smith, 29, from Cleveland, Tenn., who is at the Pink Cross booth. He first watched Internet porn as a college student. "I started out once a day, usually at night, when my roommate wasn't there," Smith says. "You try and hide it. Then I started watching it several times a day. I would only watch it long enough to masturbate. I never got why they make these long features since I would always turn it off when I was done." Smith says the images crippled his ability to be intimate. He could not distinguish between the fantasy of porn and the reality of relationships. "Porn messes with the way you think of women," he says. "You want the women you are with to be like the women in porn. I was scared to get involved in a relationship. I did not know how extensive the damage was. I did not want to hurt anyone. I kept away from women."

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She had been promised $1,000 for her first film. She was handed $600 when the scene was done. She also contracted gonorrhea. Porn stars are tested for HIV and sexually transmitted diseases once a month, but "people do so many scenes between tests that a month is a long time." She began, once she had treated her gonorrhea, to do films three or four times a month. She would have several more bouts with gonorrhea and other sexually transmitted diseases during her career. She got pregnant and had an abortion. The demands on her began to escalate. She was filmed with multiple partners. Her scenes became "extremely rough. They would pull my hair, slap me around like a rag doll. "The next day my whole body would ache," she recalls. "It happened a lot, the aching. It used to be that only a few stars, people like Linda Lovelace, would once do things like anal. Now it is expected." She became a staple in "gonzo" porn films. Gonzo movies are usually filmed in a house or hotel room. They are porn verite. The performers often acknowledge the camera and speak to it. Gonzo films push the boundaries of porn and often include a lot of violence, physical abuse and a huge number of partners in succession. According to the magazine Adult Video News, "Gonzo, non-feature fare is the overwhelmingly dominant porn genre since it's less expensive to produce than plot-oriented features, but just as importantly, is the fare of choice for the solo stroking consumer who merely wants to cut to the chase, get off on the good stuff, then, if they really wanna catch some acting, plot and dialog, pop in the latest Netflix disc." Roldan would endure numerous penetrations by various men in a shoot, most of them "super-rough." As she talks of her career in porn, her eyes take on a dead, faraway look. Her breathing becomes more rapid. She slips into a flat, numbing monotone. The symptoms are ones I know well from interviewing victims of atrocities in war who battle posttraumatic stress disorder.

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"You have to do what they want on the sets," she says. "There's too much competition. They can always find other girls. Girls bring in their friends and get kickbacks. They feel like stars. They get attention. It's all about the spotlight. It's all about me. They have notoriety. They don't realize the degradation. Besides, this is a whole generation raised on porn. They're jaded and don't even ask if it is wrong. They fall into it. They get into drugs to numb themselves. They get their asses ripped. Their uterus hemorrhages. They get HPV and herpes, and they turn themselves off emotionally and die. They check out mentally. They get PTSD like Vietnam vets. They don't know who they are. They live a life of shopping and drugs. They don't buy real estate. They party, and in the end they have nothing to show for it except, like me, genital herpes and fake boobs." "Porn is like any other addiction," Lubben says. "First, you are curious. Then you need harder and harder drugs to get off. You need gang bangs and bestiality and child porn. Porn gets grosser and grosser. We never did ass-to-mouth when I was in the industry. Now you get an award for it. And meanwhile the addicts make their wives feel like they can't live up to the illusion of the porn star. The addict asks, 'Why can't she give blow jobs like a porn star?' He wants what isn't real. Porn destroys intimacy. I can always tell if a man is a porn addict. They're shut down. They can't look me in the eyes. They can't be intimate."

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The male stars are encouraged to be rough and hostile. Some, she says, "hated women. They would spit in my face. I was devastated the first time that happened, but I thought it was good they were rough because of my abusive relationships. I thought roughness in porn was OK. I would say, 'Treat me like a little slut,' or 'I'm your bitch,' or 'F**k me like a whore.' I would say the most degrading things I could say about myself because I thought this was what it meant to be sexy and what people wanted to hear, or at least the people who buy the films. You are just a slut to those who watch. You are nothing. They want to see that we know that." She would shoot scenes with men who disgusted her, whose sweat and smell "made me cringe." And when the lights went off and the cameras stopped, she would stumble off the set in pain, her face often covered with semen. "Sometimes they would hand you a paper towel to wipe your face off," she says, "and sometimes they would say, 'Don't touch us. You're gross.' I remember the first time I had come all over my face. I was so pissed off, but I took it. I pretended to like everything they did. I took pride in being a good gonzo girl. My fame came from this."


chomsky, hedges, we on the left CHEER, except when talking porn seabeyond Apr 2012 #1
+1. So does mine. freshwest Apr 2012 #4
i got to listen to my husband talk to our 14 yr old son seabeyond Apr 2012 #5
They should learn the real story behind the 'star' of 'Deep Throat.' freshwest Apr 2012 #6
thank you. you saved me time.... seabeyond Apr 2012 #8
A lot of people watching porn are watching women being raped. redqueen Apr 2012 #21
So are you saying ALL women in porn are being 'raped'? DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #32
Read more carefully. redqueen Apr 2012 #36
But you can't back up that claim. DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #37
I suggest you do more research. redqueen Apr 2012 #39
"extremely popular and getting more popular by the day. The most popular kind is..." Data, please. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #41
Those statements arw based on what.porn producers say. nt redqueen Apr 2012 #45
They are? Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #47
That's not a fact, that's your perception which is heavily colored by your biased supposition. DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #87
I dont think you've seen any actual porn, I think you're hearing about it from anti-porn "activists" Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #40
Why the.focus on me? redqueen Apr 2012 #42
Because you're making all sorts of statements about how people in porn feel, how they can't Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #44
You're obviously not reading my posts. I'm done wasting my time. Chomsky is anti porn. nt redqueen Apr 2012 #46
Chomsky also has some bass-ackwards ideas about Israel. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #48
Actually, Chomsky is 100% on the money when it comes to Israel. DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #89
Not to steer this train off into I/P land, that's not the view espoused by Chomsky I meant. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #94
The definition of time wasting is trying to do battle w/ things like heterosexual penetrative sex Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #74
Sasha Grey: "Here's a woman who's intelligent, cognizant and making her own choices" Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #79
Obviously, she got brainwashed by The Patriarchy to say those things... DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #88
I'm sure Hedges, the amateur mental health diagnostician, would say she has a case of "PTSD" Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #93
Yeah, it's funny how easy it is for most people to just ignore these particular kinds of abusive. redqueen Apr 2012 #14
Wait no... no, it isn't. It's just sad. seabeyond Apr 2012 #22
It'd be more sad if you realized that for all the people who admit to looking at porn Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #72
I don't know one single person whom I agree with 100% of the time. DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #31
thank you for posting this KT2000 Apr 2012 #2
Eventually it has to be recognized. redqueen Apr 2012 #15
I know. Morally damaged and soul sick women exploited by planned parenthood Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #97
Amen. I get so weary of leftist males ever comprehending this. zazen Apr 2012 #3
It's sad to think how many people had their first experience with porn as children. redqueen Apr 2012 #16
Yes, sort of how I get weepy over the rampant flimhatzerry with the snarfwaddles Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #51
If you bother attempting to engage with me and dare to think redqueen Apr 2012 #63
Well, I asked you a straightforward question: does "the patriarchy" encompass all or most Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #68
That sounds an awful lot like holding rap music and video games responsible for juvenile delinquency DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #90
If, like you say, most men AND women on the left disagree with you, maybe you're in the wrong. DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #33
Apparently, some women will never be happy until they are in charge of how CONSENTING ADULTS Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #49
Andrea Dworkin was mentally ill and could have benefited from anti-psychotic meds. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #96
Source for your allegations about Andrea Dworkin? nt redqueen Apr 2012 #98
Right after you source with statistical data your claims on what is "the most popular kind of porn" Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #99
This isn't Feminism 101, and the info re: porn is easily searchable. redqueen Apr 2012 #100
You got nothing. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #101
You didnt google. Of course. redqueen Apr 2012 #102
Upthread you've asserted your right to ignore my questions. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #103
I'm sorry, but that's not the way a debate works. DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #105
Most people project their fantasies on the porn industry instead of looking at it as it is... saras Apr 2012 #7
how am i suppose to get turned on watching a girl fearful, screaming, being gang raped seabeyond Apr 2012 #9
However, my dear, don't you see that your life experiences have turned you into a prude? freshwest Apr 2012 #11
So you think rock and roll needs more censorship? Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #78
Seabeyond, I see Warren is going to answer for you. Myself, I like R &R: freshwest Apr 2012 #81
Not real big on Aerosmith, myself. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #82
here is mine.... seabeyond Apr 2012 #84
Best version and shows the dehumanization men go through, like that photo display thread. freshwest Apr 2012 #85
You didnt know that "Janie's got a gun" is about child abuse? Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #86
'Fearful and screaming'? Then you've been watching the wrong kind of porn. DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #34
This is why so many 2nd wavers have trouble with gay men, transpeople, the BDSM community Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #76
Yeah, it's very much not just a job. redqueen Apr 2012 #17
Sort of like how a free market is possible in a Communist utopia... after Capitalism is destroyed. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #53
Let me ask you something. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #58
Thank you for posting this. (nt) enough Apr 2012 #10
It is my pleasure. redqueen Apr 2012 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #77
I'm very impressed with what Hedges says here. And that he agrees with the right. At times women, freshwest Apr 2012 #12
Yes, the left likes to pretend that they have it all over the right where women are concerned. redqueen Apr 2012 #19
I'm sure many progressive women were deeply disappointed that Rick Santorum dropped out. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #61
Group sex among adolescents a public health concern, new study says seabeyond Apr 2012 #23
People are always concerned about adolescents having sex, b/c its something they never used to do Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #43
yes, i can see you would reduce that article to teenagers simply having sex seabeyond Apr 2012 #50
Teens have sex, teens have always had sex. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #52
again, so you just ignore what the article is saying, or you dont read about girls pressured/forced seabeyond Apr 2012 #54
Ignoring things and steering discussions off track... redqueen Apr 2012 #55
You brought up Chomsky, as if he's infallible. He's not. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #56
No, you implied Hedges was conservative/GOP redqueen Apr 2012 #57
He's been actively arguing against the democratic party for the past several years Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #59
no. many many are not consulting adults but defenders like to ignore that fact, too. seabeyond Apr 2012 #65
Authoritative data as per a video on YouTube made by an anti porn group. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #67
happy little bow to make it all pretty. i get it. nt seabeyond Apr 2012 #70
I'm sure it's very frustrating Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #73
So the producers of that video, are they affiliated with the Christian right perchance? Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #69
How does one video with anecdotal evidence prove that "many" are not consenting? DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #92
And we've gone through this. The fact that consent forms are signed and age verification is done Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #95
I'm all for debating things that are wrong within the porn industry, as I'm sure there are many... DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #104
Agreed. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #106
yes... cannot handle reality to justify wants. better to pretend the happy hooker to salve the ego seabeyond Apr 2012 #64
The level of denial is depressing. nt redqueen Apr 2012 #66
I know. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #71
The study mentions pornography and child abuse in relation to group sex. DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #91
So, he is only half right... physioex Apr 2012 #13
Yes, the most important thing about this industry to politicians is the money. redqueen Apr 2012 #20
And what should be "done about it", then? Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #75
Link to what Chris Hedges wrote: freshwest Apr 2012 #24
how can you say porn is degrading to women seabeyond Apr 2012 #25
manwin. man win. seabeyond Apr 2012 #26
From your link. But you'll only hear the sound of crickets: freshwest Apr 2012 #27
If only it was shocking, how consistently this is ignored. redqueen Apr 2012 #28
No other group besides women has so thoroughly internalized their own oppression. seabeyond Apr 2012 #29
It's the damn snitzwaffles Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #60
Actually, it's the other way around. DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #35
This deserves a kick. redqueen Apr 2012 #30
One thing about porn, it's an excellent way for some people to waste time. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #38
Despite an utter lack of any data whatsoever, anecdotally there sure seems to be a problem Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #62
Thx for posting. nt ProudProgressiveNow Apr 2012 #80
Chris Hedges: "I Stand With The Right Wing" Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #83
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