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johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
26. I made my point with the Jacksons by comparing Janet to Rebbie
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 10:06 PM
Jan 2013

Yeah the Jacksons.
Janet had a great career but has no kids.
Rebbie had a great family life but little career.
Yes I even used the male Jacksons to make the point even further.
Michael had established a great career when he didn't have kids. He had kids after he was well-established & had little more to achieve in the business.
His brothers couldn't keep up with him professionally because they chose to be more hands-on fathers not distant fathers.

I also used Michelle & Barack Obama as examples to underline the point I was making.
In one of my posts I used Condoleezza Rice as an example.
I mentioned Quincy Jones in parentheses alluding to the fact that he made big moves in his career but was M.I.A. for most of his daughters' lives.
Don't worry about my examples. Worry if my reasoning pans out.
And my reasoning DOES pan out.

The author of the article we're talking about in this thread ran into a roadblock when it came to her ideology.
The work world was built around a male biological role historically.
Women can have trouble in this world once they have kids.
They can't be fully involved in both areas equally.
One always takes a backseat to the other.
So either they make concessions in household focus or they make concessions in workplace focus.

Unless you make your household your workplace or make your workplace your household, you're not gonna be able to perfectly balance those two areas.
I can use the example of my parents/grandparents, your parents/grandparents, anybody's parents/grandparents to make my point over & over again.

Evo-psych? No. REALITY.
We can modify gender roles & create more flexibility but gender roles came from biological dichotomies.
Just about everything we are was determined before we were born into the world.
John Lucas

Raising a child is a full time job. SheilaT Dec 2012 #1
This is such BS. fasttense Dec 2012 #7
Yes, exactly. SheilaT Dec 2012 #9
What a load of whining. Daemonaquila Dec 2012 #2
men have had it all for centuries BainsBane Dec 2012 #3
I'm not sure they have MissMillie Dec 2012 #8
Thank you! You underlined a point I was making johnlucas Dec 2012 #10
The vast majority of men have NEVER had it all because they aren't part of the one percent duffyduff Dec 2012 #12
that is a function of class BainsBane Jan 2013 #13
Unpaid labor by women... johnlucas Jan 2013 #18
Of Course Not! Nobody can. Including men. johnlucas Dec 2012 #4
You have essentialized social constructions BainsBane Dec 2012 #5
Biology influenced how cultures formed. And no, men never had it all. johnlucas Dec 2012 #6
Yikes ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #25
I made my point with the Jacksons by comparing Janet to Rebbie johnlucas Jan 2013 #26
Sexist bullshit alarimer Jan 2013 #14
Women are forced? Who says women HAVE to do the housework? johnlucas Jan 2013 #16
Biology is NOT destiny alarimer Jan 2013 #28
You don't understand what I mean by Biology Is Destiny. I will explain johnlucas Jan 2013 #29
Really bad post-and this is completely wrong: Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #15
How many times have I heard transsexuals saying they felt like they were born in the wrong body? johnlucas Jan 2013 #17
Your brain is part of your biology. Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #19
No you misunderstand me. I mentioned the brain part of the biology. johnlucas Jan 2013 #20
Your brain is part of your biological body. Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #21
It's as simple as this. They look between your legs to find out what sex you are when you're born johnlucas Jan 2013 #22
No, you are wrong. We're done. The AMA disagrees with you and so does every other credible expert. Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #23
I guess I disagree with the AMA then. And 'experts' have been wrong before. johnlucas Jan 2013 #27
More elitist hogwash duffyduff Dec 2012 #11
Class difference was always the flaw in Feminism. Womanism & female Feminism backlash were result. johnlucas Jan 2013 #30
Some interesting statistics ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #24
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