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magical thyme

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30. within the context of a well-regulated state militia
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 03:05 PM
Jul 2012

the dissenting opinion is an excellent read.

"But a conclusion that the Second Amendment protects an individual right does not tell us anything about the scope of that right.

Guns are used to hunt, for self-defense, to commit crimes, for sporting activities, and to perform military duties. The Second Amendment plainly does not protect the right to use a gun to rob a bank; it is equally clear that it does encompass the right to use weapons for certain military purposes. Whether it also protects the right to possess and use guns for nonmilitary purposes like hunting and personal self-defense is the question presented by this case. The text of the Amendment, its history, and our decision in United States v. Miller, 307 U. S. 174 (1939) , provide a clear answer to that question....

....The Second Amendment was adopted to protect the right of the people of each of the several States to maintain a well-regulated militia. It was a response to concerns raised during the ratification of the Constitution that the power of Congress to disarm the state militias and create a national standing army posed an intolerable threat to the sovereignty of the several States. Neither the text of the Amendment nor the arguments advanced by its proponents evidenced the slightest interest in limiting any legislature’s authority to regulate private civilian uses of firearms. Specifically, there is no indication that the Framers of the Amendment intended to enshrine the common-law right of self-defense in the Constitution.

In 1934, Congress enacted the National Firearms Act, the first major federal firearms law.1 Upholding a conviction under that Act, this Court held that, “n the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a ‘shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length’ at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument.” Miller, 307 U. S., at 178. ....

....No new evidence has surfaced since 1980 supporting the view that the Amendment was intended to curtail the power of Congress to regulate civilian use or misuse of weapons. Indeed, a review of the drafting history of the Amendment demonstrates that its Framers rejected proposals that would have broadened its coverage to include such uses.....

....“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State”

The preamble to the Second Amendment makes three important points. It identifies the preservation of the militia as the Amendment’s purpose; it explains that the militia is necessary to the security of a free State; and it recognizes that the militia must be “well regulated.” In all three respects it is comparable to provisions in several State Declarations of Rights that were adopted roughly contemporaneously with the Declaration of Independence.5....

....The parallels between the Second Amendment and these state declarations, and the Second Amendment ’s omission of any statement of purpose related to the right to use firearms for hunting or personal self-defense, is especially striking in light of the fact that the Declarations of Rights of Pennsylvania and Vermont did expressly protect such civilian uses at the time....

....The contrast between those two declarations and the Second Amendment reinforces the clear statement of purpose announced in the Amendment’s preamble. It confirms that the Framers’ single-minded focus in crafting the constitutional guarantee “to keep and bear arms” was on military uses of firearms, which they viewed in the context of service in state militias....

well said DrDan Jul 2012 #1
I've poked around looking for early second amendment debate information. brewens Jul 2012 #2
I think Justice Stevens' Dissent in Heller is an excellent discussion of 2nd Amendment. Hoyt Jul 2012 #4
Let's hope, we need to win congress in Nov. that will help nt flamingdem Jul 2012 #5
Lots exists from the founders. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #8
I meant that there isn't all that much on specifically the second amendment. brewens Jul 2012 #12
Start with Wikipedia Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #15
within the context of a well-regulated state militia magical thyme Jul 2012 #30
But they have several erroneous points. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #32
their point is that the 2nd amendment is very specifically written to address magical thyme Jul 2012 #34
and the dissenters evaluation of the decision is also an interesting read magical thyme Jul 2012 #31
And Congress HAS regulated civilian uses of weapons. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #33
the 2nd amendment is about maintaining state militias magical thyme Jul 2012 #35
That is true. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #37
Fuck the NRA. I'll donate to any politician who publicly states russspeakeasy Jul 2012 #3
You realize the NRA supports Democrats, right? Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #7
Oh my, well in that case iamthebandfanman Jul 2012 #10
Yes, I realize that. That doesn't make the NRA any less despicable. russspeakeasy Jul 2012 #16
Good to know you think supporting Democrats is despicable. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #19
Hey, are you Ron Paul ? russspeakeasy Jul 2012 #20
I don't get it. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #22
K&R. Well said. Overseas Jul 2012 #6
Many errors in his video Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #9
Then the Assault Weapons Ban wasn't strong enough. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #11
+1000 gtar100 Jul 2012 #13
So how would you have changed it? Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #14
And the problem with that is? Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2012 #17
The weapons shown are neither an AK-47 nor an M-1 carbine. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #18
OK, I don't know about those two specific weapons. Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2012 #21
Ah the old "penis" canard. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #23
It's not a canard, it's a major reason why gun nuts collect guns. Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2012 #24
Crock of shit. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #25
A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2012 #27
A question for you. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #28
Latest Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2012 #39
I notice you didn't answer my question: Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #40
Because it's a stupid question, which does not deserve answering Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2012 #42
My question is no more stupid than your statement that prompted it. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #43
You are wrong, it is NOT the job of the Police... MicaelS Jul 2012 #41
well said. DCBob Jul 2012 #38
My guess meanit Jul 2012 #26
Exactly right. K&R! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2012 #29
remember how after 9/11 conservatives said the Constitution isn't a suicide pact? yurbud Jul 2012 #36
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