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tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
58. You seem quite persistent Bill, so I'll tell you what I think about gun control
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:44 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:16 PM - Edit history (2)

I don't particularly like guns. I think we should have background checks for all gun sales and I think assault weapons should be illegal. I think ammunition should be heavily taxed and magazine sizes need to have legal limits. I would love to live in a society where police do not have reason to be armed.

I have some personal experience with gun violence. A family member was threatened with a gun in one instance and another was murdered Ina separate instance. In both cases the weapon was a shotgun - no one is going to make shotguns illegal.

I grew up in Mineola on LI. A HS friend of my brother's was among the people killed by Colin Ferguson on the LIRR. I've met Caroline McCarthy on a few occasions and I approve of her work on gun control.

I also have two friends who live in Sandy Hook. One a PA at the hospital and another a reporter for a local paper. My son is the same age as the children who were murdered. Even though my connection to that crime is somewhat removed, its effect on people I know and the thought of those children left a scar on my soul.

Sanders' position on gun control, however, is not as troubling as some would like to make it. His objections were due to liability issues, and based on some good logic. Guns are made to kill, so it's not the same thing as someone selling you a medicine that kills or telling you a cigarette isn't going to harm you. I wouldn't expect Stanley to be liable for my smashed thumb if I hit it with a hammer.

As I said, I am aware of Sanders' voting record on guns, and posted it earlier. I trust him to make well informed and thoughtful decisions on the issue. I find it funny that many Clinton supporters decry liberal purity tests for so many other issues but latch onto guns and attempt to hold Sanders to a purity test on the issue when his record is by an large a good one.

Finally, Sanders actually has a voting record on gun control that we can examine - Clinton no so much. All we really have to go on is her campaign record, which as with many other issues is not entirely consistent: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/4/1427635/-Hillary-Clinton-s-2008-position-on-gun-control-wasn-t-what-it-is-now


So, you want to talk about deaths as a result of war now?





Given how she polls on the issue of trust it's a fair question. tk2kewl Feb 2016 #1
it's also a newsworthy question to report on six investigations & whether there is political motives Bill USA Feb 2016 #4
Count me as a boob then along with overwhelming majority of DU and the U.S. tk2kewl Feb 2016 #6
your words not mine. You're a good subject for suggestion and group think. Bill USA Feb 2016 #9
Uh - here are your words LiberalElite Feb 2016 #10
Whatever you say Bill. tk2kewl Feb 2016 #12
I guess there are a lot of us boobs out there. Paka Feb 2016 #21
tk2kewl, the election will confirm or disprove your contention that.. Nitram Feb 2016 #29
it may... but even if she wins it may simply mean the other guy is less trusted tk2kewl Feb 2016 #30
talking to hillary haters is like talking to trump supporters MariaThinks Feb 2016 #52
you didn't answer the question. MariaThinks Feb 2016 #51
sure it's newsworthy tk2kewl Feb 2016 #53
Untrustworthy ratings of 67% are inflammatory. Kall Feb 2016 #2
see link Bill USA Feb 2016 #5
She does it to herself Kall Feb 2016 #8
P.T. Barnum is alleged to have said: "There's a sucker born every minute." .. u should read the OP Bill USA Feb 2016 #54
Benghazi Biopsy: A Comprehensive Guide to One of America’s Worst Political Outrages Bill USA Feb 2016 #55
If you think you're going to bury people in a blizzard of words Kall Feb 2016 #57
"blizzard of words"? IT's called relevant information. It's required reading to avoid being a sucker Bill USA Feb 2016 #59
It's called not being relevant Kall Feb 2016 #61
Corporate Media noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #3
you were told that by Bernie supporters. They think they are the only ones who care for the Bill USA Feb 2016 #7
. LiberalElite Feb 2016 #11
Was Hillary thinking of these 5 "little guys" when she supported a coup in their country? tk2kewl Feb 2016 #13
80% Of Central American Women, Girls Are Raped on Journey to The U.S. - HuffPo Bill USA Feb 2016 #17
Therefore once they get here we must deport them? tk2kewl Feb 2016 #18
Hillary Clinton: Bernie Sanders voted against Brady bill five times- PolitiFact: TRUE Bill USA Feb 2016 #22
Do you really want to get into counting who has more blood on their hands? tk2kewl Feb 2016 #26
Hillary Clinton: Bernie Sanders voted against Brady bill five times- PolitiFact: TRUE Bill USA Feb 2016 #37
we already had that discussion tk2kewl Feb 2016 #38
neither war nor gun votes is relevant to this thread, but when did BS people stick to the point?LOL Bill USA Feb 2016 #43
Hillary Clinton’s claim that Bernie Sanders voted for the ‘Charleston loophole’:factchecker - TRUE Bill USA Feb 2016 #50
You seem quite persistent Bill, so I'll tell you what I think about gun control tk2kewl Feb 2016 #58
Or how about this little guy? polly7 Feb 2016 #16
sorry you've failed. the Bushter created the chaos in MidEast. your remark is straight Bill USA Feb 2016 #19
No. You need to do even just a little reading. It's all right at your fingertips. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #20
the chaos in the midEast was caused by Bush's invasion of iraq and deposition of Saddan Hussein Bill USA Feb 2016 #23
As I said, try a little reading like most rational people already have. polly7 Feb 2016 #25
parroting GOP propaganda re HRC doesn't indicate the critical thought necessary for grasp of reality Bill USA Feb 2016 #35
I've 'made my case' with hundreds of articles here I've read, researched and followed up on. polly7 Feb 2016 #36
ah, trying to insult me is not making a valid point, even if it makes you feel less intimidated by Bill USA Feb 2016 #44
Awww. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #45
still no links to any coherent arguments? Just curious, since you haven't provided any. Recoverin_Republican Feb 2016 #62
Gosh, polly, you sure love that photo. Nitram Feb 2016 #31
Does it bother you? polly7 Feb 2016 #33
Yes, I find it very disturbing that you have turned it into a personal fetish. Nitram Feb 2016 #39
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #41
Do you think this will impress grown-ups? Bill USA Feb 2016 #47
Nah. Just an honest response to an ugly accusation. polly7 Feb 2016 #49
you're devoted to that end. Bill USA Feb 2016 #56
isolationism is not a feasible foreign policy for the U.S. We can't withdraw from the World. Bill USA Feb 2016 #40
Even Peter Rabbit realized he had to come out of his burrow sometime during his little bunnie life. Bill USA Feb 2016 #46
I know what I saw I don't need your help noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #27
It's about time they treat her like they treat him. onecaliberal Feb 2016 #14
well, and how did she answer? MisterP Feb 2016 #15
I'm sure you've seen her answer, but for those who didn't: tk2kewl Feb 2016 #24
She could have given him a very 'political' answer and said: "Never" Like most people in Politics Bill USA Feb 2016 #42
I liked the OP, then it was turned into a very Republican sounding thread world wide wally Feb 2016 #28
"Republican sounding" has become the Bernie supporter's dog whistle code for... Nitram Feb 2016 #32
Far more anti-Hillary than pro-Bernie world wide wally Feb 2016 #34
you are a Republican propagandist's dream Bill USA Feb 2016 #48
And you are a naive child world wide wally Feb 2016 #60
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