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128. Wow, the hate, it's truly frightening.

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Private autopsy claims Vonderrit Myers shot while fleeing [View all] KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 OP

I'm betting the DOJ is watching actually but they arent going to prosecute just because some cstanleytech Oct 2014 #1

Was Myers fleeing? If so, from what I've read here and elsewhere, police are not allowed to KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #4

Once someone shoots at you, all bets are off seveneyes Oct 2014 #8

Yes, police can shoot if a suspect is running, provided they are a danger joeglow3 Oct 2014 #12

How about if he or she shot three times at police who didn't identify themselves as police? Wouldn't KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #16

I am not. I just don't judge entire groups. joeglow3 Oct 2014 #20

The officer was wearing his uniform. branford Oct 2014 #30

He was also driving in a marked cruiser Travelman Oct 2014 #78

The officer -- what was his name and badge number again? -- may have been KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #109

First, do you have any evidence to support your "self-defense" scenario? branford Oct 2014 #115

Well, that's why I posted this story. Because the private autopsy at least brings into KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #116

The private autopsy offers little other than proof Myers died from gunshot wounds. branford Oct 2014 #119

Seems to me its entirely possible to be fleeing AND shooting back.. EX500rider Oct 2014 #168

But even if its self defense cstanleytech Oct 2014 #46

I wasnt there so I dont know. cstanleytech Oct 2014 #25

Then you would be wrong. GGJohn Oct 2014 #89

DoJ only prosecutes whistleblowers Man from Pickens Oct 2014 #18

Before or after he fired his "sandwich"? seveneyes Oct 2014 #2

Please read this sentence and consider its implications if true: KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #5

And that makes it an execution! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #10

That I agree with. joeglow3 Oct 2014 #14

If Myers fired at the officer, as the initial forensics appear to indicate, branford Oct 2014 #3

OK. So i guess you don't think Myers was 'begging for his life' before the as-yet KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #6

of course not...and trayvon martin was not afraid of zimmerman either noiretextatique Oct 2014 #24

If what these witnesses are reported to have said is even remotely close to the truth, then it KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #104

strange fruit, indeed noiretextatique Oct 2014 #251

Reconciling the racist past - I'm not sure it can be done. I've lately come to KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #253

+1000 noiretextatique Oct 2014 #254

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2014 #162

"Unnamed pig"... NaturalHigh Oct 2014 #37

These pigs have no credibility heaven05 Oct 2014 #54

Forgive me if I disagree. NaturalHigh Oct 2014 #55

you're entitled heaven05 Oct 2014 #57

"Nothing you say or think will change that, NOTHING." NaturalHigh Oct 2014 #58

People can say that, but one day they will need a cop Calista241 Oct 2014 #135

Yeah, I know. NaturalHigh Oct 2014 #139

Cops, lawyers and garbagemen. delta17 Oct 2014 #223

I usually get one heaven05 Oct 2014 #196

what do your pals do when they know that a fellow officer has violated a citizens civil rights? notadmblnd Oct 2014 #77

I have no idea. What's your point? NaturalHigh Oct 2014 #80

My point is, if they look the other way and refuse to do the right thing notadmblnd Oct 2014 #86

+ a brazillion. If a "good cop" looks the other way or covers for the murderous violent thugs, then kath Oct 2014 #97

and 99.9 percent heaven05 Oct 2014 #140

cops dont behave the same in private drray23 Oct 2014 #79

Obviously they are merely aquainteces of the poster you replied to notadmblnd Oct 2014 #87

Half right... Oktober Oct 2014 #195

That's such a tired old trope. I'll tell you what: I'll believe there are good cops when I see KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #98

True words marym625 Oct 2014 #133

excellent description heaven05 Oct 2014 #141

The SLPD area LEOs are a farce, ask the local people of color what they think of them... uponit7771 Oct 2014 #163

what does "both sides" really mean when one person is armed noiretextatique Oct 2014 #252

you mean the sandwich? noiretextatique Oct 2014 #19

Umm that just means he bought a sandwich it doesnt mean he didnt have a gun. cstanleytech Oct 2014 #32

A sandwich does not leave gunpowder residue on hands, pockets and waistbands. branford Oct 2014 #34

I wonder if they can check the shells for the kids prints? cstanleytech Oct 2014 #43

There will likely be more forensic evidence released. branford Oct 2014 #53

gunpowder residue on hands heaven05 Oct 2014 #59

No whats not washing is your posting the same thing.......your opinion. cstanleytech Oct 2014 #81

you're good heaven05 Oct 2014 #83

I am defending the science and science doesnt support conspiracy theories. cstanleytech Oct 2014 #99

the evidence is everywhere heaven05 Oct 2014 #100

" the evidence is everywhere" Ya and now your sounding like my cstanleytech Oct 2014 #105

god bless america heaven05 Oct 2014 #136

You'll get nowhere, heaven05 Feral Child Oct 2014 #182

interesting take heaven05 Oct 2014 #188

So, yeah Feral Child Oct 2014 #201

You won't get very far with personal attacks either. delta17 Oct 2014 #225

Feel free to alert on what you feel is a personal attack. notadmblnd Oct 2014 #240

I would rather say it to you directly. delta17 Oct 2014 #241

there was no reason to alert on my post. notadmblnd Oct 2014 #242

I did mistake you for the other poster. delta17 Oct 2014 #243

thanks for admitting your mistake notadmblnd Oct 2014 #244

Patronizing bull shit. Feral Child Oct 2014 #245

I don't see any apologists. delta17 Oct 2014 #248

But I do decide who Feral Child Oct 2014 #249

Adios. delta17 Oct 2014 #250

Your standard for 'good' is just expecting a bare minimum of facts sans speculation or bias? Oktober Oct 2014 #197

yep heaven05 Oct 2014 #200

That's proving a negative and has no place in civilized law... Oktober Oct 2014 #203

these are heaven05 Oct 2014 #205

You can only win if you play :) Ha-ha, best pitch I've ever heard for a sucker bet yet! (If KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #106

No offense taken and yes I do play and if I win I win cstanleytech Oct 2014 #108

As a side note, I have to say that the state of California is really behaving poorly, constantly KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #112

The Missouri State Patrol Travelman Oct 2014 #84

that's silly heaven05 Oct 2014 #88

Of course it's silly Travelman Oct 2014 #93

I would have to see it for myself heaven05 Oct 2014 #101

That is a damned good question and it goes to what the philosopher of science Karl Popper KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #107

But it WASN'T the St. Louis City PD. Travelman Oct 2014 #110

All well and good. I did not know before now that it was the state crime lab that KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #114

The GSR was not only on Myers hands, but also his shirt, front and back pockets and waistband. branford Oct 2014 #117

So I take it then that you don't believe the witnesses who say Myers was KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #121

Who are these alleged witnesses, and what is the basis for their allegations? branford Oct 2014 #125

The first I heard about the 'pleading for his life' witnesses was when I read KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #126

Branford gave the link that I was going to Travelman Oct 2014 #120

I believe we have reached an unbridgeable chasm, my friend. When you characterize KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #123

Now, now, stop all the reasonableness this instant! EX500rider Oct 2014 #171

you're wasting heaven05 Oct 2014 #60

p-pls be trolling n/t PorridgeGun Oct 2014 #95

BAMB!!!!! I've not read this before... THANK YOU!! Sandwhich MISTAKIN for a gun uponit7771 Oct 2014 #164

I will trust multiple corroborating witnesses before I trust the lone killer. /nt Ash_F Oct 2014 #151

Could you kindly identify these "multiple corroborating witnesses," branford Oct 2014 #153

I will trust the attorney's word that they have witnesses over the killer. /nt Ash_F Oct 2014 #158

I'll take that as a "no." branford Oct 2014 #160

"I will trust the attorney's word" EX500rider Oct 2014 #172

Yes. Ash_F Oct 2014 #178

"Cops lie." EX500rider Oct 2014 #180

Keep up the fight keyboard warrior Ash_F Oct 2014 #181

You seem to be behind your keyboard... EX500rider Oct 2014 #183

Sure. /nt Ash_F Oct 2014 #184

LOL! Travelman Oct 2014 #192

yeah that sandwich heaven05 Oct 2014 #7

So, you think all the evidence was staged and planted? joeglow3 Oct 2014 #9

"All the evidence" as reported by news media citing police sources? Would you like KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #13

So, that is a yes. joeglow3 Oct 2014 #15

Good, after you remit funds to my PayPal account, I'll email you title KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #17

Right after I find the fake moon landing cite. joeglow3 Oct 2014 #22

no...it is a HELL YES noiretextatique Oct 2014 #21

I saw the tape. And I am far from the only one who thinks it shows NOTHING joeglow3 Oct 2014 #23

of course you don't noiretextatique Oct 2014 #26

This independent autopsy showed gunpowder on his hands joeglow3 Oct 2014 #28

i don't know: you tell me what the police want you to think noiretextatique Oct 2014 #31

Why are you discussing this? Your mind is made up. joeglow3 Oct 2014 #33

and so is YOURS, so stop pretending you are objective noiretextatique Oct 2014 #41

the person you are responding to heaven05 Oct 2014 #51

Based on what? joeglow3 Oct 2014 #67

What is the basis for your belief that the officer executed Myers after he was no longer a threat? branford Oct 2014 #73

The autopsy in this very thread gives support to that scenario joeglow3 Oct 2014 #74

The autopsy does not prove or disprove the execution scenario. branford Oct 2014 #76

I never said it was fact. joeglow3 Oct 2014 #82

please...and you claim to be objective noiretextatique Oct 2014 #45

So, there is no scenario where the policy officer acted in good faith? joeglow3 Oct 2014 #65

How long did it take heaven05 Oct 2014 #69

I never said thug joeglow3 Oct 2014 #70

Cops would never plant gunpowder on anyone.... LanternWaste Oct 2014 #157

GSR is nothing like planting drugs or even a gun. branford Oct 2014 #161

We often see nothing when we desire to see nothing. LanternWaste Oct 2014 #156

He bought a sandwich 20 minutes before the shooting, GGJohn Oct 2014 #92

Nope, just a bit of it and that's bad enough... the kid did buy a sandwhich uponit7771 Oct 2014 #165

I hope for something larger and better, a revolution that transforms society so that KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #11

I agree heaven05 Oct 2014 #38

This overt oppression by police is what lead to the original Black Panther Party in Oakland brush Oct 2014 #90

last sentence heaven05 Oct 2014 #96

Are you stating that you consider the officer guilty regardless of the evidence? branford Oct 2014 #27

Read above. People are claiming it was all staged. joeglow3 Oct 2014 #29

are you stating he is innocent, regardless of evidence? noiretextatique Oct 2014 #36

Yes people have the right to be skeptical... NaturalHigh Oct 2014 #42

lately it seems heaven05 Oct 2014 #61

Really? EX500rider Oct 2014 #174

really heaven05 Oct 2014 #207

I'm stating that I'm relying on the actual evidence, not preconceived notions. branford Oct 2014 #49

Evidence and empirical facts Travelman Oct 2014 #91

I said what I said heaven05 Oct 2014 #40

You can certainly believe it was murder. branford Oct 2014 #50

I am disappointed in your attitude of supporting the police violence against rhett o rick Oct 2014 #102

Are you really accusing me of "supporting police violence against the black community?" branford Oct 2014 #113

You seem to be trying very hard to exonerate the policeman and not looking for "the truth". rhett o rick Oct 2014 #118

The evidence does not support that claim in the least Travelman Oct 2014 #122

What eye witnesses? branford Oct 2014 #124

Of course we all want justice. Equal justice. But we don't have equal justice today. rhett o rick Oct 2014 #134

You claim to support due process, but then appear to dismiss any evidence branford Oct 2014 #137

Of course I want to see justice prevail, but IMO it rarely happens in cases involving police rhett o rick Oct 2014 #143

Emptying a magazine within a couple of seconds during a lethal gunfight branford Oct 2014 #144

I am sorry but I find your rationalizations for police shooting victims so many times as rhett o rick Oct 2014 #148

You're making unsubstantiated conclusory statements about tactical firearm situations. branford Oct 2014 #149

This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Oct 2014 #150

"It likely indicates that the officer was firing in a panic" EX500rider Oct 2014 #175

How very sad that we have gotten to the point where we can rationalize and normalize the killing of rhett o rick Oct 2014 #176

I didn't "rationalize" anything. EX500rider Oct 2014 #179

Count how fast the shots happen XemaSab Oct 2014 #145

So is your point that the shots happen so fast the officer can't control it? rhett o rick Oct 2014 #146

The present evidence doesn't support this strange scenario you are pushing. GGJohn Oct 2014 #127

In a criminal trial, it's guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt." branford Oct 2014 #129

Thank you for the correction. GGJohn Oct 2014 #130

It takes a lot to upset me, particularly on an anonymous board. branford Oct 2014 #131

Thank you for your service to our justice system. GGJohn Oct 2014 #132

really? heaven05 Oct 2014 #142

Unarmed, chervilant Oct 2014 #35

so do i...and i am sick of the pollyannish/naive attitude of some white people noiretextatique Oct 2014 #39

Yes, indeed. chervilant Oct 2014 #44

and they pull out this "i'm objective" bullshit every single time noiretextatique Oct 2014 #47

Or, the classic "I'm not a racist, but" statement... chervilant Oct 2014 #246

All that you heaven05 Oct 2014 #48

Wow, the hate, it's truly frightening. GGJohn Oct 2014 #128

My soon-to-be-ex-boss is an unapologetic racist. chervilant Oct 2014 #247

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2014 #166

For those of you here who need a reminder about the rules here on the DU. cstanleytech Oct 2014 #52

Good point CST... NaturalHigh Oct 2014 #56

state sanctioned murder heaven05 Oct 2014 #64

As I believed we established in a different sub-thread... NaturalHigh Oct 2014 #68

I actually cotton more to Sci-Fi writer Phillip K. Dick's theory that KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #103

a private autopsy heaven05 Oct 2014 #62

Nope. nt cstanleytech Oct 2014 #63

why the implied threat? heaven05 Oct 2014 #66

Not a threat, a reminder that even the DU has rules. nt cstanleytech Oct 2014 #71

The autopsy reveals very little dispositive information. branford Oct 2014 #72

so it would heaven05 Oct 2014 #75

Forensic evidence can certainly be challenged. branford Oct 2014 #85

I wish your first point was true heaven05 Oct 2014 #94

An older lawyer once gave me the following COLGATE4 Oct 2014 #111

but, but, but heaven05 Oct 2014 #138

My pleasure. COLGATE4 Oct 2014 #152

You know, when people resort to calling me names, I take it as a compliment notadmblnd Oct 2014 #209

I also take heaven05 Oct 2014 #210

The thing is, none of us know the truth notadmblnd Oct 2014 #214

Oink! branford Oct 2014 #147

if true heaven05 Oct 2014 #154

I'm well aware of, and strongly oppose, disparities in the criminal justice system, branford Oct 2014 #155

Reasonable answer heaven05 Oct 2014 #167

If the officer effectively executed Myers after he was clearly neutralized, branford Oct 2014 #218

Oh, the poor oppressed police. notadmblnd Oct 2014 #159

thank you heaven05 Oct 2014 #170

I know that one has to pay for justice. I know that it's a racket for the Courts notadmblnd Oct 2014 #177

so true heaven05 Oct 2014 #187

You or anyone can remain as skeptical as you wish. branford Oct 2014 #173

Well said .......................... cstanleytech Oct 2014 #186

DU members are not required to be knowledgeable of the actual law in order to form an opinion, notadmblnd Oct 2014 #189

ouch! heaven05 Oct 2014 #191

I've asked this time and time again, branford Oct 2014 #204

And many have asked time and time again: What is the name of the cop that killed the young man? notadmblnd Oct 2014 #206

And the officer's name is evidence of what exactly? branford Oct 2014 #212

And the witnesses names are evidence of what? notadmblnd Oct 2014 #216

Let's talk about the witness. branford Oct 2014 #219

Oh, so you have no answers to my questions. notadmblnd Oct 2014 #221

No, lets talk about the cop... the Witness's didn't kill anyone... Also, ANYONE who paid even uponit7771 Oct 2014 #226

OK, we'll not talk about the uprightness of SLPD area LEOs... that WOULD be crazy talk... uponit7771 Oct 2014 #169

If that makes you happy by all means just try to avoid any nutjob conspiracy theories and you cstanleytech Oct 2014 #185

well don't let heaven05 Oct 2014 #193

There is such a thing as political capital... Oktober Oct 2014 #190

Hunh? Care to elaborate? KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #230

Reading this, it sounds like he was down when the last shot was fired. notadmblnd Oct 2014 #194

if the heaven05 Oct 2014 #198

found this down thread. notadmblnd Oct 2014 #199

I won't take the bet heaven05 Oct 2014 #202

We've discussed this alleged witness numerous times. branford Oct 2014 #208

You must have had a long day in court. Your reading comprehension seems to be a little off notadmblnd Oct 2014 #211

You assume far too much. branford Oct 2014 #215

Seriously, do you really believe what you just wrote? notadmblnd Oct 2014 #217

You really have very little conception of gunfight. branford Oct 2014 #220

No, no, no that is not what you said. C'mon a good attorney knows how and very deliberately notadmblnd Oct 2014 #222

Yeap, a bullet to the head the person would be more likely dead... Legs first uponit7771 Oct 2014 #224

and the guy here trying to defend them should be ashamed of himself. notadmblnd Oct 2014 #227

There's something wrong with that WHOLE areas LEOs, there was a LEO from OUT OF TOWN that had . uponit7771 Oct 2014 #229

Yeah there's something wrong with them in ST Louis and Ferguson and who knows what other notadmblnd Oct 2014 #231

I am not an expert so I will give you my layperson's understanding and perhaps KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #232

I hope so too. Because if these extra judicial, excessive use of force killings don't stop- notadmblnd Oct 2014 #233

The entire social contract is fraying at the edges and, as it does, the institutions KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #234

Well IMO, they need to step it up here. notadmblnd Oct 2014 #235

Agreed 1000%. The last couple months has been like watching a slow-motion KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #236

Only the intentionally obtuse could believe that it was fair or honest. notadmblnd Oct 2014 #237

No idea. Well, after the past couple months, St. Louis County is starting to look almost KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #238

I agree. notadmblnd Oct 2014 #239

you started an excellent heaven05 Oct 2014 #213

Thank you. I am not going to urge anyone to 'stay calm' or 'be reasonable' in these circumstances. I KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #228