White House: Nazis shouldn't get Social Security (UPDATE)

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20. Survivors who came to the US and worked and paid into SS gets SS

Under the Social Security Act anyone who earns sufficient money under the Act is eligible for Social Security. Under the act it is ILLEGAL to collect that money outside of the US. The big exception is if a treaty exists that permits such payments.

The US has such a Treaty with Germany and Israel, thus a Nazi or a Survivor who came to the US after WWII and worked and paid into Social Security, can move back to Germany (or in case of the Survivor) move to Israel and collect Social Security. Is is under such treaties that such people are collecting Social Security and like all treaties they will have to be renegotiated with the other country that signed the treaty.

This has been the law for a long time. The present Treaty with Germany was signed in 1976 and came into force in 1979. If I remember right they was an earlier treaty governing Social Security but the 1979 treaty replaced it and is presently the one in force.


Here is the list of Countries with Social Security Treaties with the US, notice Germany was signed in 1979):

http://www.ssa.gov/international/agreements_overview.html

Please note, the above is a series of agreements directed to the EU and reducing double payment of social security taxes as opposed to benefits. Older treaties also covered PAYMENT to people living in those countries, but who had worked in the USA.

List #1, Countries where you can live and get Social Security:

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/international/countrylist1.htm

List #2 "If you are a citizen of one of the countries listed below, you may receive your payments as long as you are outside the U.S., unless you are receiving your payments as a dependent or survivor. In that case, there are additional requirements you have to meet."

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/international/countrylist2.htm

List #3: "Your payments will continue even if you have been outside the U.S. for more than six full calendar months, if you are a resident of a country with which the U.S. has a Social Security agreement. Currently, these countries are:"

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/international/countrylist3.htm

List #4: "Your payments will continue even if you have been outside the U.S. for more than six full calendar months, if you are a citizen of one of the countries listed below, and the worker on whose record your benefits are based lived in the U.S. for at least 10 years or earned at least 40 credits under the U.S. Social Security system. If you are receiving benefits as a dependent or survivor, there are additional requirements you have to meet."

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/international/countrylist4.htm

List # 5, "Work by some U.S. citizens and residents outside the U.S. is exempt from U.S. Social Security as a result of international Social Security agreements the U.S. has concluded with the following countries:"

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/international/countrylist5.htm

List #6: List where Direct Deposit is available:

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/international/countrylist6.htm

You can NOT get Social Security Benefits if you are living in Cuba or North Korea, and there are restrictions (incluidng picking up your check at the US Embassy) in Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia,
Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Uzbekistan and Vietnam

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/pubs/EN-05-10137.pdf

Under "Social Security Treaties" the following is noted (this is under the Department of State's "Treaties in Force" list:

SOCIAL SECURITY

Agreement on the pension insurance of certain employees of the United States Army.
Signed at Bonn September 11, 1970.
Entered into force June 1, 1972;
retroactive to November 1, 1950.

23 UST 638; TIAS 7326. GERMANY — SOCIAL SECURITY
Agreement on social security, with final protocol.

Signed at Washington January 7, 1976.

Entered into force December 1, 1979.
30 UST 6099; TIAS 9542; 1177 UNTS 257. GERMANY — SOCIAL SECURITY
Administrative agreement for the implementation of the agreement on social security of January 7, 1976.
Signed at Washington June 21, 1978. Entered into force October 30, 1979;effective December 1, 1979.
30 UST 6150; TIAS 9542; 1177 UNTS 270.
Amendments
October 2, 1986 (TIAS 12115).
March 6, 1995.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/218912.pdf