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68. She did leave. She went to the garage.

Wed Oct 15, 2014, 03:09 PM

Oct 2014

She walked by her front door and went into the garage to retrieve the gun. Then she returned. SYG does not mean you can leave, get a weapon, and return.

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COURT FINALLY OVERTURNS MARISSA ALEXANDER’S 20 YEAR SENTENCE. [View all] elleng Oct 2014 OP

Best news I've read all month, elleng! NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #1

I was very excited to see it, elleng Oct 2014 #2

Thank God billhicks76 Oct 2014 #70

I'm hoping to see her exonerated but this news was posted two weeks ago brush Oct 2014 #378

I fear you're right. I found this article that seems to cast doubt on her chances: NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #379

Good To Hear, Ma'am The Magistrate Oct 2014 #3

She not only should be convicted, she will be again. She shot at children msanthrope Oct 2014 #281

We Will Have To Disagree About This One, Ma'am The Magistrate Oct 2014 #284

I don't think you would have voted to acquit had you heard the testimony msanthrope Oct 2014 #286

Perhaps Not, Ma'am The Magistrate Oct 2014 #287

As I respect yours, Sir. It has been noted, elsewhere on this thread, msanthrope Oct 2014 #288

I'm glad to hear it..That was an outrage. n/t whathehell Oct 2014 #4

Thank you, ellen! Wow.. So Good! Cha Oct 2014 #5

Thank you, ellen! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #6

SYG only apply when there is a fatality Downwinder Oct 2014 #7

Apparently in South Carolina it doesn't apply to women csziggy Oct 2014 #13

I saw that this morning and I still must ask ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #89

I have the same question. nt. Tumbulu Oct 2014 #171

it sure sounds that way to me...... BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2014 #183

Only if the shooter is white Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #201

^THIS^ eom catrose Oct 2014 #133

She left the house, got a gun and went back in to confront her ex hack89 Oct 2014 #29

Is there a clause in SYG that says it does not apply to ongoing threats? DesertDiamond Oct 2014 #43

No. hack89 Oct 2014 #44

This kind of kills the entire purpose of the SYG law. ieoeja Oct 2014 #57

He didn't threaten her Travelman Oct 2014 #58

And she didn't shoot him. ieoeja Oct 2014 #60

That's why it's attempted murder instead of second-degree murder Travelman Oct 2014 #112

if you ever get to live your life as a woman, then get back to me. truedelphi Oct 2014 #166

exactly, nt Tumbulu Oct 2014 #174

THIS ^ THIS^ THIS^ BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2014 #184

Damn right. nt Hekate Oct 2014 #227

In that case, please tell us how Travelman Oct 2014 #234

Again, if you ever live life inside a dwelling as a woman with an enraged partner truedelphi Oct 2014 #241

that's very nice Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #243

MY aren't we special? After all, inter galactic avengers are a dime a dozen, truedelphi Oct 2014 #323

I was not the one Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #326

Yeah Snow Leopard Oct 2014 #350

I certainly never said men are never victimized by women - truedelphi Oct 2014 #367

Please ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #95

"She claimed." Those claims were rejected. Travelman Oct 2014 #111

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #122

Gray recanted that statement Travelman Oct 2014 #140

So, you believe which of his statements? Tumbulu Oct 2014 #175

Not so much of what is believed here by members, GGJohn Oct 2014 #177

well we all know that these juries in Florida are so sensible.......sarcasm Tumbulu Oct 2014 #187

The facts didn't fit her version of the event, GGJohn Oct 2014 #189

That is typical in abusive situations, abusers manipulate everyone around them Tumbulu Oct 2014 #216

Here's the court document lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #132

I'm in favor of self defense as much as anyone, christx30 Oct 2014 #330

What???? He beat her up- he hit her Tumbulu Oct 2014 #173

Where is your evidence of this? Travelman Oct 2014 #228

what is your need to protect this violent man on DU? Tumbulu Oct 2014 #231

Oh please. Travelman Oct 2014 #233

You sound angry Ash_F Oct 2014 #240

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #248

Thank you Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #244

And you are getting so angry on DU, why? merrily Oct 2014 #285

Despite your silly claim, I'm not angry. Travelman Oct 2014 #290

And despite your rudeness and crudeness, I am neither silly nor telling lies about you. merrily Oct 2014 #292

Oh. So you have EVIDENCE that I get paid, then? Travelman Oct 2014 #293

Good lord. Read for comprehension, please. I was not accusing you of getting paid or of merrily Oct 2014 #294

Instead of attacking a fellow DU'er, why not address the issue at hand, GGJohn Oct 2014 #295

Have you read the posts of travelman on this thread? merrily Oct 2014 #296

Everyone gets alerted on, GGJohn Oct 2014 #297

Oh, please. Not everyone gets alerted on and not everyone posts the way he's been posting either. merrily Oct 2014 #299

I'll betcha everyone here on DU has been alerted on at least once, GGJohn Oct 2014 #300

.... merrily Oct 2014 #301

Am I wrong? GGJohn Oct 2014 #302

You've had many other replies. This is the last. Sorry to have disappointed you, merrily Oct 2014 #304

What bait? GGJohn Oct 2014 #305

Nice back-pedal Travelman Oct 2014 #298

No back pedal whatsoever. Amost anyone reading Reply 285 would get that I never accused you merrily Oct 2014 #303

Tumbulu, Where did these people on DU come from? truedelphi Oct 2014 #324

If he was violent in the past, then it has everything to do with this case Ash_F Oct 2014 #236

No. It. Does. Not. Travelman Oct 2014 #249

that's probably one of the more misogynist posts I've read throughout this debate. redruddyred Oct 2014 #353

SYG went away when she retreated to safety instead of "standing her ground" hack89 Oct 2014 #64

She had the right to come back. Once she came back, she had the right to stand her ground.n/t ieoeja Oct 2014 #69

No, she didn't. GGJohn Oct 2014 #73

Who's house was it? Ash_F Oct 2014 #237

Rico Gray's house Travelman Oct 2014 #250

Except she walked through the door and opened fire. That is not standing your ground. hack89 Oct 2014 #74

But you a neglecting to mention ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #99

Her kids and ex testified otherwise. hack89 Oct 2014 #101

Really? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #105

The police found the garage door perfectly servicable. Travelman Oct 2014 #115

Doesn't matter ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #130

What you're failing at is that she did retreat, GGJohn Oct 2014 #139

You can't just stop the timeline ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #156

The problem here being that she returned with a gun. GGJohn Oct 2014 #159

You do not understand the law do you ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #164

I understand the law quite well. GGJohn Oct 2014 #167

Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #170

Actually, it matters a whole lot Travelman Oct 2014 #142

See my response at #156. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #157

Her son confirmed it. Ash_F Oct 2014 #238

She claims he said that, but what did the kids say at trial, GGJohn Oct 2014 #102

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #107

Facts don't matter on the internet. /nt Ash_F Oct 2014 #239

I've noticed. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #246

the only 'fact' you're heaven05 Oct 2014 #267

True ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #96

And how did she get her car into the garage in the first place? Travelman Oct 2014 #118

She went into the garage, could not leave, and got her gun csziggy Oct 2014 #82

On her way to the garage to get her gun, GGJohn Oct 2014 #87

She went into the garage to get her truck csziggy Oct 2014 #109

well, she didn't heaven05 Oct 2014 #131

You can post all the little GGJohn Oct 2014 #134

Hey, anything you say heaven05 Oct 2014 #252

It's not me saying it's a lie, it's the police and jury, GGJohn Oct 2014 #254

Ohh the police and jury is inviolate, heaven05 Oct 2014 #260

You have a good one also. GGJohn Oct 2014 #261

She walked by the front door on the way to the garage hack89 Oct 2014 #90

Really? Are you making this up as you are going along? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #93

Her kids testified against her - they tell a different story. hack89 Oct 2014 #97

Really? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #104

ok. nt hack89 Oct 2014 #110

But it would be great if YOU ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #119

Here are the trial courts findings hack89 Oct 2014 #137

I suggest you read the entire Opinion ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #154

That finding of facts regarding the SYG hearing will not change much hack89 Oct 2014 #158

Concurring Opinions are not binding. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #161

No kidding hack89 Oct 2014 #194

Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #200

oh so she did not suffer SERIOUS bodily injury Tumbulu Oct 2014 #178

it figures heaven05 Oct 2014 #253

Pot, meet kettle. GGJohn Oct 2014 #255

yes and heaven05 Oct 2014 #263

Good one. GGJohn Oct 2014 #264

I provided him with a link to the trial court finding of facts hack89 Oct 2014 #266

And he provided court findings also heaven05 Oct 2014 #268

Some how I doubt it will happen hack89 Oct 2014 #270

She claims she couldn't get the garage door open? GGJohn Oct 2014 #98

All of that is irrelevant ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #100

You are sooooooo wrong. GGJohn Oct 2014 #103

Well, maybe ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #117

She cannot use SYG at trial. Already ruled on. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #120

Still trying to figure out why ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #136

She was engaged in unlawful activity at the time of the shooting, and msanthrope Oct 2014 #143

What was the unlawful activity? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #160

Walking back into a house and pointing a gun at three people, for starters. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #169

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #172

Which? nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #176

Sorry, I'm not very good at multi-tasking today ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #179

The Peterson ruling would stand, since it was made msanthrope Oct 2014 #181

Okay, I guess I'm off to find the trial court's ruling ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #202

Thank you for proving my point!!!! GGJohn Oct 2014 #123

Oh, my bad ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #141

Here. GGJohn Oct 2014 #147

First ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #163

Sounds like he let her in then wouldn't let her out. ieoeja Oct 2014 #121

HE did not let her in, GGJohn Oct 2014 #128

It doesn't apply to non-white folks ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #88

Good. Adsos Letter Oct 2014 #8

She turned down a lenient plea deal hack89 Oct 2014 #30

As she should have. She had ZERO legal requirement to run away. ieoeja Oct 2014 #59

She retreated to safety to get her gun. She went back to shoot him hack89 Oct 2014 #65

If she went back to shoot him, he would be dead. ieoeja Oct 2014 #72

If she ran into him the next day and there was no threatening, physical violence, GGJohn Oct 2014 #77

The bullet barely missed his head. It came really close to the kids too. hack89 Oct 2014 #79

Because you are taking all purpose out of the SYG laws. ieoeja Oct 2014 #85

Go look at the actual Florida law. You will be surprised what it actually says. hack89 Oct 2014 #92

This woman shot at children, and DU forgets that. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #153

NO she didn't. Period heaven05 Oct 2014 #257

She shot at her husband with the kids standing next to him. GGJohn Oct 2014 #258

Yes...that's what she was convicted of. And she will be convicted of, again. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #259

right heaven05 Oct 2014 #262

She's not a square peg....she's a criminal. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #278

The issue is that she did retreat. tammywammy Oct 2014 #66

If she had her gun with her the first time, she can stand her ground. ieoeja Oct 2014 #71

It would't matter if she had her gun the first time or not, GGJohn Oct 2014 #78

k&r. Thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Oct 2014 #9

K&R Solly Mack Oct 2014 #10

Old news illinoismike Oct 2014 #11

Link? mountain grammy Oct 2014 #12

Granted new trial on 9/26/2013 GGJohn Oct 2014 #14

Thanks illinoismike Oct 2014 #15

Thank you... mountain grammy Oct 2014 #38

It's about time. Unknown Beatle Oct 2014 #16

Her retrial begins Dec. 1 csziggy Oct 2014 #17

Thanks for the info. I posted the OP when I saw this on FB this evening: elleng Oct 2014 #18

I think they got bit by some date bug or something. csziggy Oct 2014 #19

Shit, just the thought of Angela Corey being a prosecutor makes me ill. GGJohn Oct 2014 #20

She is so smarmy csziggy Oct 2014 #21

Corey offered Alexander a lenient plea deal that was refused hack89 Oct 2014 #46

Yes, Yes. Yes. elleng Oct 2014 #22

So, over a year ago Iwillnevergiveup Oct 2014 #23

Stand Your Ground for a black person, a woman even? Holy cow. Is this all to get valerief Oct 2014 #24

It was not SYG hack89 Oct 2014 #33

How can it be SYG? This is why SYG exists. ieoeja Oct 2014 #61

But once she took the "opportunity to run away" by going into the garage hack89 Oct 2014 #67

Again, you apply the self defense standard. ieoeja Oct 2014 #76

SYG is a subset of self defense hack89 Oct 2014 #81

Of course he applies the self-defense standard. SYG does not apply here--the Florida courts have msanthrope Oct 2014 #113

But we were arguing whether it should. Ergo.... ieoeja Oct 2014 #125

Well, it should not, even under the broadest reading of SYG. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #129

If SYG never applies, what is the point of the law. ieoeja Oct 2014 #144

She was engaged in unlawful activity at the time of the shooting. SYG msanthrope Oct 2014 #145

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #205

This message was self-deleted by its author GGJohn Oct 2014 #207

Oh, so you think women liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #208

In the words of hack89, GGJohn Oct 2014 #211

Not stepping into the argument, but male according to hack89's profile. DRoseDARs Oct 2014 #212

Doh!!!! GGJohn Oct 2014 #226

She did leave. She went to the garage. tammywammy Oct 2014 #68

It doesn't mean you can't either. ieoeja Oct 2014 #75

No it wouldn't. GGJohn Oct 2014 #84

One quibble: "even meet the definition of self-defense, much less SYG." ieoeja Oct 2014 #91

Her life was not in Imminent danger when she walked away, GGJohn Oct 2014 #94

But not an encounter that you instigate, in someone else's house. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #124

What? Of course, SYG applies to an encounter you instigate. ieoeja Oct 2014 #135

I think you're missing a key piece of the stand YOUR GROUND laws. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #138

Gray, himself, said she tried, but could not open the garage. ieoeja Oct 2014 #146

Funny...the door opened to put her car in, and when the police tried it. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #149

He said that after she violated a court order to tamper with his testimony. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #152

No. It does not. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #148

does anyone else find this news terrifying? redruddyred Oct 2014 #25

She left the house, got a gun, and went back to confront her ex hack89 Oct 2014 #32

She got the gun to protect herself . . . brush Oct 2014 #37

She walked past the front door as she went into the garage to get her gun from her car hack89 Oct 2014 #40

I repeat . . . brush Oct 2014 #45

She had not been living with him for months before the shooting. hack89 Oct 2014 #47

empathy gene lacking. brush Oct 2014 #50

They were living apart. hack89 Oct 2014 #52

To get her stuff — empathy gene still lacking. . . brush Oct 2014 #53

And so she brought a gun to get her stuff? nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #127

I agree, why should she take 3 years for standing up to an abuser? redruddyred Oct 2014 #203

Yes it does, it says everything Tumbulu Oct 2014 #221

Brush, here is my small token of affection truedelphi Oct 2014 #325

Thanks, truedelphi. brush Oct 2014 #331

is it just me, or is this primarily in discussing women's rights topics? redruddyred Oct 2014 #332

I think you're seriously off topic here. nt brush Oct 2014 #335

just trying to show some support. redruddyred Oct 2014 #339

Don't bother. liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #206

In this case she was Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #213

she was charged with abusing him Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #327

I as a woman would not be want to be walking down the street kmlisle Oct 2014 #168

She hadn't live in the house for months hack89 Oct 2014 #198

you are absolutely right it doesn't make sense but its exactly what abused women do again and again kmlisle Oct 2014 #247

The reason she got 20 years was because of mandatory minimum sentencing hack89 Oct 2014 #265

Still this is part of a pattern in which the criminal justice system treats women and people of kmlisle Oct 2014 #272

But the evidence shows she was not defending herself hack89 Oct 2014 #273

She was not trying to defend herself at the time of this event. GGJohn Oct 2014 #274

well said Tumbulu Oct 2014 #222

You're not "protecting yourself" when you go looking for a target. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #108

Mostly because of the other facts in the case. Igel Oct 2014 #34

I am with you, nt Tumbulu Oct 2014 #180

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #391

It can drive a person wild considering the difference in treatment between Marissa Alexander's case Judi Lynn Oct 2014 #26

She left the house, got a gun, went back to confront her ex hack89 Oct 2014 #28

she may have been stupid, but that doesn't make her the principal aggressor. redruddyred Oct 2014 #204

She shot at his head - she barely missed hack89 Oct 2014 #209

can I have a source please. redruddyred Oct 2014 #210

see #197 Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #214

who is saying that it nearly missed his head? redruddyred Oct 2014 #333

It is called tha facts and pictures Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #334

again, no one was hurt. probably she was just trying to scare him. redruddyred Oct 2014 #338

She did something illegal involving a gun Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #340

he did something illegal involving his fists. redruddyred Oct 2014 #341

the cherges were dropped against him Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #342

that's right, she's an adult woman. redruddyred Oct 2014 #343

I think both are aggressors Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #344

you're arguing under the pretext that she was trying to kill him redruddyred Oct 2014 #345

and you do not know anything what is taught in CCL classes Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #346

so ccl classes tell you to shoot the person? redruddyred Oct 2014 #347

yes, as the absolute last resort Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #348

I think that's problematic. redruddyred Oct 2014 #349

she had domestic violence Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #351

"Females can also be the aggressor for domestic violence" redruddyred Oct 2014 #352

He wasn't beating on her that day, her life was NOT in imminent danger that day, GGJohn Oct 2014 #357

sounds more like a woman in severe distress redruddyred Oct 2014 #362

And you would be charged with murder. GGJohn Oct 2014 #366

except... she didn't shoot at his head. redruddyred Oct 2014 #370

Both parties need to be protected from violence Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #368

because the courts are sexist, the police are sexist. redruddyred Oct 2014 #369

Whatever, I disagree Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #373

I've heard that too, redruddyred Oct 2014 #374

yes every male is abusive Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #375

no, but some of them abuse their power. redruddyred Oct 2014 #376

Only if you don't understand the law or the actual details of the cases Lurks Often Oct 2014 #39

Finally! Chemisse Oct 2014 #27

Really, the most glaring example of injustice? hughee99 Oct 2014 #54

Florida has minimum mandatory sentences for gun crimes hack89 Oct 2014 #31

Doesn't matter. Igel Oct 2014 #35

I sure hope there's a better outcome this time. sinkingfeeling Oct 2014 #36

Hopefully the state will again offer a plea deal and she accepts it this time. hack89 Oct 2014 #41

why aren't you advocating him serving a minimum sentence for the serial abuse? Tumbulu Oct 2014 #224

Is your hair shirt tailor made? hack89 Oct 2014 #242

I remember that Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #245

There would be none of this if he was jailed for beating her Tumbulu Oct 2014 #308

You will get no argument from me. nt hack89 Oct 2014 #312

Occasionally the courts get it right. malthaussen Oct 2014 #42

It is likely the results will be the same hack89 Oct 2014 #48

I love the apologists on this thread. alarimer Oct 2014 #49

No one is defending the husband Lurks Often Oct 2014 #56

Oh yes you are Tumbulu Oct 2014 #307

She is getting jail time because she committed a felony Lurks Often Oct 2014 #316

if her husband had been in jail in the first place, none of this would have happened. redruddyred Oct 2014 #354

You go right on with your emotional outrage Lurks Often Oct 2014 #355

aka everything but marissa's own testimony. redruddyred Oct 2014 #356

If Marissa was in the process of being beaten, I would have applauded her for shooting him Lurks Often Oct 2014 #359

according to her testimony, she was. redruddyred Oct 2014 #360

From what I read, they couldn't get anybody to testify against him Lurks Often Oct 2014 #364

"I'll kill you bitch," wasn't imminent danger? redruddyred Oct 2014 #371

I'll say it again Lurks Often Oct 2014 #377

unless, as according to her own testimony, redruddyred Oct 2014 #380

I'd want to read the trial transcript for a definitive answer Lurks Often Oct 2014 #381

"because if you were you should have shot her attacker." redruddyred Oct 2014 #383

Neither of us were on the jury, so neither of us know ALL the facts Lurks Often Oct 2014 #386

"after 12 minutes of deliberation" redruddyred Oct 2014 #387

She was not living there, so your question isn't relevent to the case Lurks Often Oct 2014 #388

so clear cut that we've been debating it here for nearly two weeks? redruddyred Oct 2014 #389

We've been debating it for two weeks Lurks Often Oct 2014 #390

I wonder where that ad hominem came from. redruddyred Oct 2014 #392

That's your perception Lurks Often Oct 2014 #393

no, I've really made an effort to engage with you. redruddyred Oct 2014 #394

I don't necessarily disagree with you Lurks Often Oct 2014 #395

... redruddyred Oct 2014 #396

What we want to do and what we are allowed to do under the law Lurks Often Oct 2014 #397

"insufficient enough testimony and evidence" redruddyred Oct 2014 #398

Probably, but that's irrelevant to this incident. GGJohn Oct 2014 #358

no, it's really not. redruddyred Oct 2014 #361

The jury found her testimony completely unreliable, they took only 12 minutes to convict her. GGJohn Oct 2014 #363

I have no intention of ever holding a firearm, ever. redruddyred Oct 2014 #372

there should not be a new trial drray23 Oct 2014 #51

I agree, but I do think that she needs mental health help Tumbulu Oct 2014 #309

Seems lots of people don't want to beburdened with the actual facts Travelman Oct 2014 #55

DING DING DING! Travelman, you're our grand prize winner! rocktivity Oct 2014 #62

Their mind is made up based on whatever initial poor reporting they listened to. NOVA_Dem Oct 2014 #63

Agree, except... lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #150

WOW! DesMoinesDem Oct 2014 #80

Hopefully she's learned how dangerous a warning shot really is. ileus Oct 2014 #83

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet; but, ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #86

She's guilty of domestic violence, assault and attempted murder. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #106

Unless they again offer her a plea, GGJohn Oct 2014 #114

Yes, she is. She might get off due to trial publicity, but it's a long shot. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #116

You've lost it on this- are all women abusers? Tumbulu Oct 2014 #182

I thought he had a restrining order on her Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #185

She had a restraining order against him, GGJohn Oct 2014 #186

My bad, I thought there was one Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #188

On another post she had come to get her clothes Tumbulu Oct 2014 #191

He wasn't there when she came to get her clothes, GGJohn Oct 2014 #193

One week after giving birth one is dead tired and usually in bed Tumbulu Oct 2014 #220

The pretrial SYG ruling indicates that she had a restraining order against him. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #314

Oh and he let her in and cooked her breakfast- so why didn't he call the police when she arrived? Tumbulu Oct 2014 #190

You got your "facts" wrong. GGJohn Oct 2014 #192

So, why do you have such a need to defend a violent abusive man? Tumbulu Oct 2014 #217

you should be a witness at the new trial snooper2 Oct 2014 #337

She committed domestic abuse as well. NobodyHere Oct 2014 #384

oh when someone fights back it is called domestic violence? Tumbulu Oct 2014 #385

why did she break the restraining order? Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #196

Why wasn't a violent man in prison in the first place? Tumbulu Oct 2014 #218

She went to his place, Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #223

Apparently he was arrested multiple times Tumbulu Oct 2014 #225

You should probably educate yourself on this case before posting what you believe to be the "facts". GGJohn Oct 2014 #197

Thanks Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #199

I have read all of this and still do not Tumbulu Oct 2014 #219

So... you'd have killed him. Fair enough. What would you have done with the witnesses? n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #230

Yes, anybody attacking someone can and should be stopped Tumbulu Oct 2014 #232

and anyone who may have hurt someone years before too, apparently. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #235

You need to look inside yourself and examine Tumbulu Oct 2014 #306

No. I don't. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #313

florida justice heaven05 Oct 2014 #126

Please be careful visiting this site (BlackMediaScoop) intaglio Oct 2014 #151

I'm not familiar with any of those places, elleng Oct 2014 #155

As AVG and Google have it as safe, please leave the OP intaglio Oct 2014 #162

Thanks. Will do. elleng Oct 2014 #165

Really Happy To Hear This. ChiciB1 Oct 2014 #195

well, that is some good news. but the whole trial was a freaking obscenity, and would never niyad Oct 2014 #215

so terribly sadly true! Tumbulu Oct 2014 #310

Wow, another civil comment Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #315

she fired into the ceiling, if I recall correctly. niyad Oct 2014 #317

Not from the transcript Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #318

No, she fired at his head, narrowly missing him, the bullet traveled through the wall GGJohn Oct 2014 #319

Perhaps you'll consider it less of an obscenity once you familiarize yourself with the case... lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #321

Nice link thanks Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #322

I have not seen a worse case of deliberate disinformation since Crystal Mangum. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #229

It's really just staggering Travelman Oct 2014 #251

It's all about emotionalism to them, not the facts. GGJohn Oct 2014 #256

I believe NOTHING heaven05 Oct 2014 #269

No you're not correct. GGJohn Oct 2014 #271

sound like judge dredd heaven05 Oct 2014 #276

It doesn't matter what I sound like, GGJohn Oct 2014 #280

yes it does heaven05 Oct 2014 #282

I'm glad I'm out there also to counter emotionalism, GGJohn Oct 2014 #283

well, that wasn't the word meant heaven05 Oct 2014 #289

In the words of Joe Pesci in My Cousin Vinny, GGJohn Oct 2014 #291

But the abusive man broke the law numerous times and never went to jail Tumbulu Oct 2014 #311

Yet believe everything that the Huffington Post says. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #275

No heaven05 Oct 2014 #279

Well written. I am appalled at her defense on this board. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #277

but, but, but but Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #320

Even if every bad thing written about her happens to be true, 20 years is still excessive. n/t nomorenomore08 Oct 2014 #328

Agree, but unfortunetly, FL has those stupid mandatory sentencing laws GGJohn Oct 2014 #329

dumb white folks archaic56 Oct 2014 #336

WOW..thanks for sharing this good news! Stellar Oct 2014 #365

Good! Hopefully justice will be served this time. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #382