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45. Putin is a brilliant strategist

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:56 PM

Feb 2014

He has all the chess moves figured out and planned.

The West stands no chance in this and there is almost nothing they can do. NATO would not want a war with Russia over Ukraine.

The whole Western strategy seemed to be to take over Ukraine and hamper Russia's ability to supply Syria. Russians won't let that happen - plain and simple.

In the end, the solution will be for EU to withdraw the invitation to Ukraine and let Ukraine be an independent country in Russia's sphere of influence.

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Russia Admits That It Has Moved Troops In Ukraine [View all] Purveyor Feb 2014 OP

Let's just hope the US stays out of this. Bill76 Feb 2014 #1

bit late for that PatrynXX Feb 2014 #11

The same was said for the Georgian-Russian conflict in 2008... LanternWaste Feb 2014 #28

Yeah but mostly cause little Georgia had to fold like a house of cards.. EX500rider Feb 2014 #40

Actually because the US doesn't want to get involved with Russia Scootaloo Mar 2014 #76

That's my fear too, incidents always trigger a little larger one, on and on. I certainly don't RKP5637 Feb 2014 #29

That may be true to an extent, but remember, the end of WWII changed everything. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #72

"or it'll be WWIII" No it won't, not without some sort of Infowarsesque conspiracy anyway. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #67

Russia was not going to let Crimea slip away, Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #2

Nope. It was only a matter of time. 1000words Feb 2014 #4

And it would be met with condemnation from a number Igel Feb 2014 #59

so do you want to send in troops or just bomb Russia? yurbud Mar 2014 #93

If that does happen PatrynXX Feb 2014 #12

Russia won't change any borders, Ukraine will split in two. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #16

It will not start WWIII. Neither Obama nor Putin are that stupid. totodeinhere Feb 2014 #33

Obama no. Putin, im not so sure. PFunk Feb 2014 #44

It's times like these that make me thank my lucky stars that Barack Obama, totodeinhere Feb 2014 #60

Yeah. Hell, even Dim Son didn't get to foul up the Georgia conflict. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #68

Actually, blood and guts McCain was on Wolf Blitzer's CNN show amandabeech Mar 2014 #75

Well it looks like I might be wrong. Putin might be willing to go there. PFunk Mar 2014 #82

Exactly right independentpiney Mar 2014 #92

FREEDOM LOVING troops... brooklynite Feb 2014 #3

Well, here is the thing. The Ukranian ethnic population in the West basically Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #18

Quit posting such sensible posts.... go west young man Feb 2014 #53

"Russia is not going to cede control of its strategically vital naval bases." Chan790 Mar 2014 #74

Just because your country has a military base in another country does not give you pampango Mar 2014 #80

My point is that the Russians have a history of leaving the dangerous toys lying around. Chan790 Mar 2014 #81

Yeah, Putin wasn't President then. Adrahil Mar 2014 #84

Exactly. tabasco Mar 2014 #89

At least this mornings claim was toned down dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #5

changed your tune yet? NT Adrahil Mar 2014 #85

Nope dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #86

Points for humor... Adrahil Mar 2014 #87

Yes but then dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #90

I knew you'd find a way to make this all about how ebil the US is.... NT Adrahil Mar 2014 #91

Anyone who has seen the video . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #6

Russia would not intervene militarily in a foreign country without approval from the UN, would they? pampango Feb 2014 #7

Gosh, I hope not . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #9

This is absolute bullcrap: okaawhatever Feb 2014 #8

Oh, if only Ronald Reagan were still President . . . right? another_liberal Feb 2014 #13

No, if only Putin would stop trying to recreate the USSR. Russia's security agreement with the okaawhatever Feb 2014 #15

You know that, do you? another_liberal Feb 2014 #19

You've got to be kidding? dawn frenzy adams Feb 2014 #54

Wow, I didn't think Putin would be quite so bold. Xithras Feb 2014 #10

To be accurate . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #14

I know. Xithras Feb 2014 #17

Exactly. another_liberal Feb 2014 #20

On the ground reports say otherwise. The first batch likely flew in when Yanukovych was pulled okaawhatever Feb 2014 #21

Not sailors, no. another_liberal Feb 2014 #23

Here are some Russian helicopters psychopomp Feb 2014 #35

Red Dawn Renew Deal Feb 2014 #38

Ukraine should immediately go to the Security Council and demand an immediate pullout of all totodeinhere Feb 2014 #36

Apparently Russia is not going to the Security Council for permission to use force in Ukraine. pampango Feb 2014 #41

The Russians do have a treaty with Ukraine which gives them rights in Crimea . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #42

We had a treaty with Batista to keep a base in Cuba too. totodeinhere Feb 2014 #57

2042. Igel Feb 2014 #61

Actually... Xithras Feb 2014 #24

Oh yes, that's true. good point. nt okaawhatever Feb 2014 #31

Yes, but think if we had sent some of our troops from Guantanamo into Cuba proper. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #22

I'm not saying what Russia did is not troubling . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #25

That's a great example. It would be totally unacceptable if our troops in Guantanamo "expanded" pampango Feb 2014 #26

Yes, they were flown in exactly like in the movies. In fact there are some "movies" showing it: okaawhatever Feb 2014 #27

I don't see any actual video of troop helicopters ferrying in troops from Russia. Not a bit. another_liberal Feb 2014 #30

How about an official statement from Ukraine Border Guard Service? okaawhatever Feb 2014 #34

capitalist lies! dionysus Feb 2014 #69

I am not defending Putin but he probably does have reason to worry about the naval base. yellowcanine Feb 2014 #46

No shit, Sherlock KeepItReal Feb 2014 #32

You know what's funny, I figured they would try to instigate violence and lots of unrest TwilightGardener Feb 2014 #37

The Ukrainians will have to fight for their independence if they really want it. Renew Deal Feb 2014 #39

The Hungarians and Czechs tried that a few decades ago. It did not turn out well. pampango Feb 2014 #43

That doesn't change the fact that if they want it, they have to fight for it. Renew Deal Feb 2014 #49

Putin is a brilliant strategist cosmicone Feb 2014 #45

Yeah, he's just brilliant. He has a large army and he's not afraid to use it. That's just brilliant. pampango Feb 2014 #47

It's not just about using the military cosmicone Feb 2014 #55

"Seem" is a fascinating verb. Igel Feb 2014 #63

So the people in the Ukraine that christx30 Feb 2014 #65

Yes, the brilliance of his guy Yanukovich firing on protesters during TwilightGardener Feb 2014 #70

what would we do if there was a coup in a country where we had bases? and it was right next door? yurbud Feb 2014 #48

Cuba. We have a base. Cuba wants us out. We defend the base and that's it. pampango Feb 2014 #50

a better analogy would be a base in Canada since we have had that odd arrangement with Cuba yurbud Feb 2014 #51

Are you saying that the US would have some sovereign right to use force to keep a base on Canadian pampango Mar 2014 #79

not at all. I'm saying it would be done whether or not it was legally right yurbud Mar 2014 #88

Shhh don't ctsnowman Feb 2014 #52

The right thing to do would be to pull out. Just because we didn't pull out of Guantanamo totodeinhere Feb 2014 #58

I thought we were stalling in the Philippines until Mt Pinotubo ruined the bases yurbud Feb 2014 #64

How was the Ukraine situation a coup? Did the military get involved? TwilightGardener Feb 2014 #71

We'd defend the base Abq_Sarah Mar 2014 #73

I bet this is all because the USA beat Russia in hockey in Sochi or something Baclava Feb 2014 #56

Sevastopol, and Russia's only warm water port,.... idendoit Feb 2014 #62

Greatest Hits nolkyz Feb 2014 #66

"Moscow has vowed to protect Russian-speaking Ukrainians in Crimea" longship Mar 2014 #77

They might as well post this now: davidpdx Mar 2014 #78

Reset! Reset! Pterodactyl Mar 2014 #83