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muriel_volestrangler

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62. Napoleon was trying to restablish Poland
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 07:09 AM
Feb 2014
The area of the duchy had already been liberated by a popular uprising that had escalated from anti-conscription rioting in 1806. One of the first tasks for the new government included providing food to the French army fighting the Russians in East Prussia.

The Duchy of Warsaw was officially created by French Emperor Napoleon I, as part of the Treaty of Tilsit with Prussia. Its creation met the support of both local republicans in partitioned Poland, and the large Polish diaspora in France, who openly supported Napoleon as the only man capable of restoring Polish sovereignty after the Partitions of Poland of late 18th century. Although it was created as a satellite state (and was only a duchy, rather than a kingdom), it was commonly hoped and believed that with time the nation would be able to regain its former status, not to mention its former borders.

The newly (re)created state was formally an independent duchy, allied to France, and in a personal union with the Kingdom of Saxony. King Frederick Augustus I of Saxony was compelled by Napoleon to make his new realm a constitutional monarchy, with a parliament (the Sejm of the Duchy of Warsaw). However, the duchy was never allowed to develop as a truly independent state; Frederick Augustus' rule was subordinated to the requirements of the French raison d'état, who largely treated the state as a source of resources. The most important person in the duchy was in fact the French ambassador[citation needed], based in the duchy's capital, Warsaw. Significantly, the duchy lacked its own diplomatic representation abroad[citation needed].

In 1809, a short war with Austria started. Although the Duchy of Warsaw won the Battle of Raszyn, Austrian troops entered Warsaw, but Duchy and French forces then outflanked their enemy and captured Kraków, Lwów and much of the areas annexed by Austria in the Partitions of Poland.During the war the German colonists settled by Prussia during Partitions openly rose up against Polish government[1] After the Battle of Wagram, the ensuing Treaty of Schönbrunn allowed for a significant expansion of the Duchy's territory southwards with the regaining of once-Polish and Lithuanian lands.

As a result of Napoleon's campaign in 1812 against Russia, the Poles expected that the Duchy would be upgraded to the status of a Kingdom and that during Napoleon's invasion of Russia, they would be joined by the liberated territories of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, Poland's historic partner in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. However, Napoleon did not want to make a permanent decision that would tie his hands before his anticipated peace settlement with Russia. Nevertheless he proclaimed the attack on Russia as a second Polish war.

That peace settlement was not to be, however. Napoleon's Grande Armée, including a substantial contingent of Polish troops, set out with the purpose of bringing the Russian Empire to its knees, but his military ambitions were frustrated by his failure to supply the army in Russia and Russia's refusal to surrender after the capture of Moscow; few returned from the march back. The failed campaign against Russia proved to be a major turning point in Napoleon's fortunes.

After Napoleon's defeat in the east, most of the territory of the Duchy of Warsaw was retaken by Russia in January 1813 during their advance on France and its allies. The rest of the Duchy was restored to Prussia. Although several isolated fortresses held out for more than a year, the existence of the state in anything but name came to an end. Alexander I of Russia created a Provisional Highest Council of the Duchy of Warsaw to govern the area through his generals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Warsaw


And Lviv and Brody came back under Austrian control. But they probably would have anyway, since Austria had allied with Napoleon for the attack on Russia (the Schwarzenberg right wing in the diagram above), so it's unlikely they would have been given back to a new Poland. But Napoleon can be seen as someone wanting to restore a country that had recently been partitioned by great powers that surrounded it, with local support.

There's no reason for the people of Brody to be particularly grateful to a Russian general who defeated Napoleon several hundred miles away. The statue was probably erected by the Soviet Union, yet another great power that invaded the area to claim it.
"Scorched Earth" Kutuzov was a "geniune hero"? joshcryer Feb 2014 #1
Your view of history is rather slanted, to say the least! another_liberal Feb 2014 #2
Wow, you are nothing if not flexible... JackRiddler Feb 2014 #3
Scortch Earth was NOT the Russian Policy Against Napoleon, he did that himself.... happyslug Feb 2014 #15
Actually I think you are both right.. EX500rider Feb 2014 #28
This is why DU is so much fun--ya learn something new every day! nt MADem Feb 2014 #79
The Russian campaign is even used as a example on the "Scorched earth" wikki.. EX500rider Feb 2014 #29
I fail to see how War Communism was any different. joshcryer Feb 2014 #49
You're busy helping to stir the ancient bullshit on all fronts, I see. JackRiddler Feb 2014 #69
I'm not the one cheering for secession. joshcryer Feb 2014 #71
You are the one supporting secession, yes. JackRiddler Feb 2014 #72
Russia is the one doing that I'm afraid. joshcryer Feb 2014 #73
Ha, "personal" JackRiddler Feb 2014 #75
Not a win if Russia succeeds in splitting the country up. joshcryer Feb 2014 #77
Statues, not statutes. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #91
I saw nothing unconstitutional. joshcryer Mar 2014 #92
"If someone is offended because symbols of totalitarianism are toppled then I have no sympathy." EX500rider Mar 2014 #93
Thank you! Especially the factoid about the wheat shipments. aquart Mar 2014 #102
Those wheat shipments lead to other things. happyslug Mar 2014 #103
They have a sense of history, of course. JackRiddler Feb 2014 #4
That is some very good writing on your part, my friend. another_liberal Feb 2014 #5
Thank you. JackRiddler Feb 2014 #8
Perhaps they do so due to religious affiliation? another_liberal Feb 2014 #11
Not such a big factor. JackRiddler Feb 2014 #14
"Western Ukraine is largely Greek Catholic (which isn't very much Catholic but recognizes the Pope)" another_liberal Feb 2014 #17
The initials don't have that meaning. JackRiddler Feb 2014 #20
I see. another_liberal Feb 2014 #21
Ukrainian (Greek) Catholics are Catholic. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #24
Except it's not their country's history. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #23
Napoleon didn't pass through that place? JackRiddler Feb 2014 #25
You might want to brush up on your history. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #27
You don't have the chops for this pedantry JackRiddler Feb 2014 #57
Napoleon was trying to restablish Poland muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #62
It's not their country's history? Huh?!!!! rdharma Feb 2014 #35
How is a Russian General part of Ukrainian history? n/t EX500rider Feb 2014 #38
Many Seem Unaware, Sir, Czarist Russia, Like Soviet Russia, Was An Empire The Magistrate Feb 2014 #39
But not this part of present-day Ukraine muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #40
True, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2014 #42
+1 ... Guess they don't want to be "happy serfs" to a modern day tsar, either..? nt MADem Feb 2014 #80
Yeah, one more reason they aren't fond of Russians. n/t EX500rider Feb 2014 #41
You mean, besides the half of them who are Russians? JackRiddler Feb 2014 #76
Or is it the 17% or so? n/t EX500rider Mar 2014 #94
Languages of the Ukraine: JackRiddler Mar 2014 #95
You mean "Ruthenian" history? Right? rdharma Feb 2014 #44
Turns out many smaller members of Empires weren't fond of the experience. EX500rider Feb 2014 #46
They were known as Ruthenians until the early 1900s. rdharma Feb 2014 #50
Since when does "Ukraine" get a monopoly? JackRiddler Feb 2014 #58
"Half the people there are Russian"...um, no, they aren't Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #74
No. It's Russia's history. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #52
Kind of like British Generals are not part of American colonial history, eh? nt rdharma Feb 2014 #55
Washington of course was a British general. JackRiddler Feb 2014 #59
Along with Col. Washington..... there were a lot of other British officers..... rdharma Feb 2014 #60
Right, sorry: Colonel, of course. JackRiddler Feb 2014 #67
Washington was a key figure in American history. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #64
He was British because they controlled the colonies. He wasn't born in London, he was born in VA. nt MADem Feb 2014 #81
That analogy would only work if.... Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #63
Brody wasn't part of Ukraine until the end of WW2 muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #6
I wonder why then Svoboda felt a need to desecrate the monument . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #7
Strange to call this 'desecration' muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #9
You are . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #10
Stop with all that common sense!!! EX500rider Feb 2014 #13
I'd say you've summed up the actual situation brilliantly. Very well done! nt MADem Feb 2014 #83
They didn't "desecrate" it. They removed it with a crane. MADem Feb 2014 #82
Brody, eh? rdharma Feb 2014 #36
For comparison: hedgehog Feb 2014 #12
They both triumphed over Napoleon. another_liberal Feb 2014 #19
"their nation." funny, I thought Ukraine not Russia was their nation geek tragedy Feb 2014 #16
I was, of course, referencing "Svoboda." They are totally Ukrainian. another_liberal Feb 2014 #18
Like it or not, Russification is a subject that is going to upset a lot of people. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #22
"Ukrainians" JackRiddler Feb 2014 #26
I know you want to get all psuedo-philosophical and stuff.... Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #66
I guess I just have a greater sense of gratitude to men like Kutuzov. another_liberal Feb 2014 #31
Gen. Kutuzov never fought any battles on Ukrainian soil? Are you kidding? rdharma Feb 2014 #47
He was a lieutenant colonel then. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #54
That foot in your mouth uncomfortable? rdharma Feb 2014 #56
Um, no. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #65
Forget it, "Ukrainian" is a transcendent entity. JackRiddler Feb 2014 #70
It's Ukrainian, not "Ukrainian", you nitwit. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #90
The crazy thing is that anyone believes... JackRiddler Feb 2014 #68
Why wouldn't the Ukrainians love a statue of a Russian General? EX500rider Feb 2014 #30
I don't really care whether they love it not . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #32
Sure, sure, who doesn't respect their former genocidal overlords... EX500rider Feb 2014 #33
Kutuzov? another_liberal Feb 2014 #34
"How is he responsible for crimes committed by leaders of the the Soviet Union?" EX500rider Feb 2014 #37
Actually the Israeli Philharmonic has played Wagner . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #43
After not playing it for 70 years. n/t EX500rider Feb 2014 #45
Some turtles live twice that long. another_liberal Feb 2014 #48
Where did i say I hate Russian's? Oh that's right, nowhere. EX500rider Feb 2014 #51
No one is expecting you to be a fan . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #53
"Letting ancient animosities die a natural death is more to the point." EX500rider Feb 2014 #61
All true. another_liberal Feb 2014 #86
Well there we go. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #96
You can make up stuff all you want... EX500rider Mar 2014 #97
You know what else is funny? JackRiddler Mar 2014 #98
Yep A lot of them have good reason to not be fond of Germans too. n/t EX500rider Mar 2014 #99
Good grief. That post takes not just the cake, but the entire dessert tray. MADem Feb 2014 #84
I find the framing of the article interesting. Who put the statue up, I wonder? MADem Feb 2014 #78
I tried to find out when that monument was constructed, another_liberal Feb 2014 #85
I looked at the video of the "destruction" of the statue, and there's plainly some "framing" going MADem Feb 2014 #87
"I think they're intending to relocate the thing." another_liberal Feb 2014 #88
If they were intending to get rid of it, it would have been easier to just take a sledgehammer MADem Feb 2014 #89
Destroying statues is a cowardly insult to art. Bill76 Mar 2014 #100
It is a lot to expect Ukrainians to love anything Russian. aquart Mar 2014 #101
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