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TM99

(8,352 posts)
90. I abhor the MSM & I hate the term flip-flopping.
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 05:41 AM
Aug 2013

With that said, I am sorry but Kerry has for more than 25 years been incredibly inconsistent in his actual statements both in speeches and in votes on the entire Middle East situation including most important the Wars in Iraq.

These are his actual words - facts as you point out. You can bitch about the media and the spin, and yet you can not contradict that he said the following:

Senate's Role In Wars With Iraq

Following Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in January 1991, Kerry broke with the majority of senators and voted against authorizing the first Gulf War. He said on the Senate floor, "It is a vote about war because whether or not the president exercises his power, we will have no further say after this vote."

Kerry thus voted against war after Iraq took aggressive military action. He said a vote in favor of military action was tantamount to giving Congress "no further say" on the war.

In October 2002, he supported the current war in Iraq, despite the fact that Iraq took no aggressive action against its neighbors.

In announcing his candidacy for president, in September 2003, he said his October 2002 vote was simply "to threaten" the use of force, apparently backtracking from his belief in 1991 that such a vote would grant the president an open-ended ticket to wage war.

Read Part One of our series:
President Bush's Top Ten Flip-Flops

If I Knew Then What I Know Now…

"We should not have gone to war knowing the information that we know today," Kerry said Wednesday on ABC's "Good Morning America." "Knowing there was no imminent threat to America, knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction, knowing there was no connection of Saddam Hussein to al Qaeda, I would not have gone to war. That's plain and simple."

But on Aug. 9, 2004, when asked if he would still have gone to war knowing Saddam Hussein did not possess weapons of mass destruction, Kerry said: "Yes, I would have voted for the authority. I believe it was the right authority for a president to have." Speaking to reporters at the edge of the Grand Canyon, he added: "[Although] I would have done this very differently from the way President Bush has."

The Kerry campaign says voting to authorize the war in Iraq is different from deciding diplomacy has failed and waging war. But Kerry's nuanced position has contradicted itself on whether it was right or wrong to wage the war.

In May 2003, at the first Democratic primary debate, John Kerry said his vote authorizing the president to use force was the "right decision" though he would have "preferred if we had given diplomacy a greater opportunity."

But then in January 2004, Kerry began to run as anti-war candidate, saying, "I don't believe the president took us to war as he should have."


The $87 Billion Vote

In September 2003, Kerry implied that voting against wartime funding bills was equivalent to abandoning the troops.

"I don't think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to whatever follows as a result of simply cutting and running," he said.

Then, in October 2003, a year after voting to support the use of force in Iraq, Kerry voted against an $87 billion supplemental funding bill for U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. He did support an alternative bill that funded the $87 billion by cutting some of President Bush's tax cuts.

But when it was apparent the alternative bill would not pass, he decided to go on record as not supporting the legislation to fund soldiers.

Kerry complicated matters with his now infamous words, "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it."

On Wednesday, he acknowledged that his explanation of his Iraq war votes was "one of those inarticulate moments."


http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-250_162-646435.html

Now don't get me wrong entirely, I am not just attacking Kerry. He is no different than just about every politician today no matter whether they have a D or an R after their name. They worry about votes, money, and positioning. They will say one thing on the campaign trail and do another once elected.

So once more, I do not have to be an 'expert' on the Middle East to question the veracity of my elected politicians' statements. I, and the rest of the American people, have been lied to so many times for the last few decades, that personally, I am very wary of them now. War or simply 'force' is just disingenuous semantic games.
As the SOS explained, the evidence is indisputable ... GeorgeGist Aug 2013 #1
Collin Powell dennis4868 Aug 2013 #4
Might as well be Scootaloo Aug 2013 #23
What policy dennis4868 Aug 2013 #45
Liquidation of the Middle East Scootaloo Aug 2013 #47
what utter BS dennis4868 Aug 2013 #50
Yes, it is happening under Obama Scootaloo Aug 2013 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Aug 2013 #72
Yep, people need to be aware of the real reason the oil pipeline in Syria. JRLeft Aug 2013 #70
Bypassing the US, that's what. David__77 Aug 2013 #52
Nope. He's a POS then and now. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2013 #82
One of the worst moments in US history Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #9
We're about to repeat it by rushing into another Optional War on flimsy pretense leveymg Aug 2013 #76
Didn't Hans Blix get eaten by sharks? demwing Aug 2013 #2
No. That was Mr. Colin. Ghost Dog Aug 2013 #19
I remember seeing that. christx30 Aug 2013 #87
May I ask why it sounds like the 'rush into Iraq' to you, when blm Aug 2013 #3
Because it's NOT like the rush to War on Iraq.. Cha Aug 2013 #5
Bush did not wait for the UN inspectors to complete their work before attacking Iraq. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #18
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #39
Great posts. dennis4868 Aug 2013 #6
I believe the common factor is Hans Blix Deny and Shred Aug 2013 #7
Tanks, saved me the trouble dreamnightwind Aug 2013 #8
Bingo Little Star Aug 2013 #12
"a short time later' you mean a year is a short time later? 8years of avoiding blm Aug 2013 #28
I was referring to the MSM emphasis on Red Line ... Deny and Shred Aug 2013 #37
The point was that the 'red line' bar was set last year. blm Aug 2013 #54
Then why did Obama reiterate the Red Line speeches in the last few months? Deny and Shred Aug 2013 #56
I don't have to make things up - I bother to KNOW about these matters blm Aug 2013 #69
Ok then. That proves it. Deny and Shred Aug 2013 #71
Few here seem to understand that pattern analysis TM99 Aug 2013 #80
Because the subject of their attack has been the KEY person blm Aug 2013 #81
You seem as certain of Obama's honesty TM99 Aug 2013 #83
I'm not talking about Obama, it's Kerry who took ALL the hits from blm Aug 2013 #84
OK, then let's talk about Kerry more. TM99 Aug 2013 #85
Let's talk, but, try arming yourself with facts, first. blm Aug 2013 #89
I abhor the MSM & I hate the term flip-flopping. TM99 Aug 2013 #90
The IWR was a resolution and as president he would want the AUTHORITY to blm Aug 2013 #91
They didn't let the inspectors finish their job in Iraq &... Little Star Aug 2013 #10
$$$$$$$$$$MIC$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$MIC$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$MIC Divernan Aug 2013 #14
. Little Star Aug 2013 #15
And once again Iwillnevergiveup Aug 2013 #22
Syria isn't an oil country. blm Aug 2013 #29
I suspect Syria might be a good pipeline location. HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #30
Just read a whole article on how important Syria's location is for other oil rich countries... Little Star Aug 2013 #36
I found one of the articles I was looking at today...... Little Star Aug 2013 #43
Then that would make just about every country an oil country. blm Aug 2013 #57
Not every country is located near oil/gas sources.... HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #60
Qatar's gas pipeline to Europe. paleotn Aug 2013 #40
Why the rush to war? Because they have a plan. Ghost Dog Aug 2013 #20
OH I KNOW...PICK ME! dennis4868 Aug 2013 #46
In Iraq, innocent children were dying by the thousands from truedelphi Aug 2013 #61
you were told this.. dennis4868 Aug 2013 #62
Yep, you are right. Bush is no longer President. truedelphi Aug 2013 #65
yes... dennis4868 Aug 2013 #75
No he understands the way things are way better than me - truedelphi Aug 2013 #86
If this Administration is so concerned with innocent children dying, Maedhros Aug 2013 #88
WH says there's 'no evidence of any alternative' to Syrian govt. responsibility for chemical attack Little Star Aug 2013 #11
Wait... what? Scootaloo Aug 2013 #24
lol Little Star Aug 2013 #34
Roadblock the path to truth. hug the earth Aug 2013 #41
NATO is the prime mover as one of its members, Turkey, feels it's being invaded by refugees. freshwest Aug 2013 #27
Unless Syria Is Using Chemical Weapons On A Near Daily Basis DallasNE Aug 2013 #13
+ 1. n/t truedelphi Aug 2013 #66
Unfortunately Hans...... DeSwiss Aug 2013 #16
Baaaaah. He said the same about Iraq, and remember how great that turned out? *nt Alamuti Lotus Aug 2013 #17
This is exactly like the run-up to Iraq. another_liberal Aug 2013 #21
It sure does sound that way :( Little Star Aug 2013 #33
Gulf of Tonkin.... paleotn Aug 2013 #42
Tonkin Gulf, yeah. another_liberal Aug 2013 #44
No it is not.... dennis4868 Aug 2013 #48
Chuck Hagel Is No Donald Rumsfeld DallasNE Aug 2013 #68
He doesn't understand chess Doctor_J Aug 2013 #25
Does Syria have oil? Or just the wrong religion? Or both? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #26
Pipeline location. HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #31
If you were... dennis4868 Aug 2013 #49
You want to help? Go down to your recruiter and sign up. Your mama will be proud. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #55
My momma is not alive anymore dennis4868 Aug 2013 #58
Condolences AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #59
Obama Mirroring Bush - Can Things Get Any Stranger cantbeserious Aug 2013 #32
I suspect this is mostly talk, the US ability to attack is severely restricted. happyslug Aug 2013 #35
It's more than talk. We've already started moving planes, etc. into the area. Little Star Aug 2013 #38
Where are we moving these "Planes" to????? happyslug Aug 2013 #63
Under the bus you go Hans. /nt Ash_F Aug 2013 #51
Considering that US is willing to use force without UNSC approval, it's even more important Catherina Aug 2013 #64
We CAN'T wait for the UN team to finish it's work. Maedhros Aug 2013 #73
K&R. nt. Mr_Jefferson_24 Aug 2013 #67
Poor excuse? More like no excuse...nt Clear Blue Sky Aug 2013 #74
where is Judith Miller when the warmongers need her most Supersedeas Aug 2013 #77
Well CNNMSNBCABCCBSFAUXNEWS, etc..ain't gonna like this! workinclasszero Aug 2013 #78
It's deja vu ... area51 Aug 2013 #79
Oh I agree wait until the reports are in but right now the president is discussing options cstanleytech Aug 2013 #92
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