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In reply to the discussion: Sequestered Zimmerman trial jurors had alone time with family during trial [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)69. It's not on this thread, but there is a report that the jury was left alone in the courtroom with a
defense attorney during a break. Not much there, as no one knows what was said or not at that time, true.
It is possible the allegedly untainted ajurors never heard a word about this trial during the intense media coverage on cable or broadcast television, radio or internet for months. But I don't think that was the case, nor did I think that no one in their community talked about it either. That's magic thinking, it's not like these women were totally removed from the world. Nope. Uh-huh.
My main problem is with the Judge; what she did and didn't allow, and those instructions.
She allowed Trayon's social networking history into the trial and his school record and blood analysis; she did not let the prosecution enter Z's long record of arrests and charging sheets, nor his disgusting social network posts that would have gone a long way to prove what the prosecution tried to prove as to intent using Florida law term that guilt required 'a depraved heart.'
If his criminal record, which is quite ugly isn't proof a thug mentality, IDK what is. And we've read that SYG was not going to be in play, just simple self-defense; what I've seen posted shows the judge was very specific that he could not be convicted due to that law.
Nowhere is Trayvon given the equal right ot stand his ground with fists, feet or anything else after having been followed, stalked, and stopped from running or going on his way by Zimmerman. Nowhere.
We may not find direct acts of jury corruption, but it is so close with poor sequestration in a case that could have been sent Z to prison for many years could make one think that it was a possibility in such a high-profile case.
And the judge's instructions give no room to convict. A dog could see that. As to the point you bring here, I am very well aware of that aspect of a mistrial. There may be others, such as a corrupted judge, that should come into play.
Whatever is done to Z or them won't bring this young man back, who was menaced by a stranger and killed. I think everyone should strip away all identifying factors. The actions were stalking and murder.
I will never accept an arrogant sense of entitlement Z showed by getting out of that car, never find him guilty of anything less than manslaughter. It would have been a hung jury, no amount of bullying could have taken that fact away from me.
If the judge didn't like my not going along, fine, pull another juror in to give her the verdict she clearly enjoyed getting, as she was all grins and giggles when the verdict came in. Or declare a mistrial because the jury was hung. By someone who didn't buy into the armed privilege routine.
Out of the car - unnecessarily - vigilantism. And Trayvon was not caught in the act of doing anything but going home with a soda and bag of Skittles for his younger brother at his home. The only way that is a crime is if walking while black is still a crime in this country.
It is possible the allegedly untainted ajurors never heard a word about this trial during the intense media coverage on cable or broadcast television, radio or internet for months. But I don't think that was the case, nor did I think that no one in their community talked about it either. That's magic thinking, it's not like these women were totally removed from the world. Nope. Uh-huh.
My main problem is with the Judge; what she did and didn't allow, and those instructions.
She allowed Trayon's social networking history into the trial and his school record and blood analysis; she did not let the prosecution enter Z's long record of arrests and charging sheets, nor his disgusting social network posts that would have gone a long way to prove what the prosecution tried to prove as to intent using Florida law term that guilt required 'a depraved heart.'
If his criminal record, which is quite ugly isn't proof a thug mentality, IDK what is. And we've read that SYG was not going to be in play, just simple self-defense; what I've seen posted shows the judge was very specific that he could not be convicted due to that law.
Nowhere is Trayvon given the equal right ot stand his ground with fists, feet or anything else after having been followed, stalked, and stopped from running or going on his way by Zimmerman. Nowhere.
We may not find direct acts of jury corruption, but it is so close with poor sequestration in a case that could have been sent Z to prison for many years could make one think that it was a possibility in such a high-profile case.
And the judge's instructions give no room to convict. A dog could see that. As to the point you bring here, I am very well aware of that aspect of a mistrial. There may be others, such as a corrupted judge, that should come into play.
Whatever is done to Z or them won't bring this young man back, who was menaced by a stranger and killed. I think everyone should strip away all identifying factors. The actions were stalking and murder.
I will never accept an arrogant sense of entitlement Z showed by getting out of that car, never find him guilty of anything less than manslaughter. It would have been a hung jury, no amount of bullying could have taken that fact away from me.
If the judge didn't like my not going along, fine, pull another juror in to give her the verdict she clearly enjoyed getting, as she was all grins and giggles when the verdict came in. Or declare a mistrial because the jury was hung. By someone who didn't buy into the armed privilege routine.
Out of the car - unnecessarily - vigilantism. And Trayvon was not caught in the act of doing anything but going home with a soda and bag of Skittles for his younger brother at his home. The only way that is a crime is if walking while black is still a crime in this country.
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Sequestered Zimmerman trial jurors had alone time with family during trial [View all]
frontier00
Jul 2013
OP
and one of the Defense witness's was allowed to sit in the courtroom with them for the entire
VanillaRhapsody
Jul 2013
#4
what will need to be done is some investigation, probably some film maker/journalist
JI7
Jul 2013
#5
VanillaRhapsody, I watched most of the trial.. IIRC, re the Defense witness, friend of Zimmerman..
nenagh
Jul 2013
#112
There must have been some real bad politics between Serino and the prosecutors.
madaboutharry
Jul 2013
#12
It should be a mistrial, but can that overturn the verdict? Double jeopardy, etc.
freshwest
Jul 2013
#20
It's not on this thread, but there is a report that the jury was left alone in the courtroom with a
freshwest
Jul 2013
#69
If that is the case then why not simply ask the jurors to sign an agreement as to their phone calls,
Spazito
Jul 2013
#48
The jurors had anonimity, only family and, it seems, friends knew who they were...
Spazito
Jul 2013
#58
Actually if a reporter wanted to they could have found out there names which is
cstanleytech
Jul 2013
#61
Oh I see your point I just dont agree that allowing them some private time was a breach.
cstanleytech
Jul 2013
#66
It wasn't a legal breach, I have to assume the Judge authorized the unsupervised...
Spazito
Jul 2013
#72
Actually if you had bothered to research it (since its clear you didnt) I have stated
cstanleytech
Jul 2013
#90
So you think because annulments are "rare" that it shouldn't happen in this case?
99th_Monkey
Jul 2013
#116