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Deep13

(39,154 posts)
8. Punitive and unnecessary and probably an unconstitutional status punishment.
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:03 AM
Feb 2013

So the guy doing nothing wrong is reasponible, not the murderer. Strict liability means that as long as damage occurs, regardless of what safeguards exist or how careful the owner was or who might actually be guilty of a criminal offense, the owner is responsible.

So if someone keeps his granddad's in a safe, keeps his house locked, has bars on the windows, and an active alarm system, but someone still manages to crowbar his war in and steal; is he really the one to hold responsible for damage. In other words, should he be held to greater responsibility than the guy who commits the burglary and subsequent murder?

The usual standard for auto accidents or any other kind of injury (workers' comp is a special case) is negligence. Did the person fail to use ordinary, reasonable care to prevent injury? In the case of cars, for instance, that duty of care is defined by specific traffic rules. If someone runs a red light, speeds or rear ends someone, that driver has necessarily violated the duty of care. A similar rule could apply to gun storage. Failure to keep them locked up necessarily constitutes negligence.

I know a lot of you think any gun anywhere comes dunked in guilt that anyone who has one is automatically a monster in need of punishment. Fortunately, this is the real world and not some flaky, liberal purity reeducation camp. Good thing, since I never learned the words to Kumbaya. And no one in Washington is listening to you guys. We'll get universal background checks and maybe magazine restrictions, which will be sensible measure. But they've already given up on a "assault weapon" ban.

YES!!! I hope this passes and pushes the rest of the country... hlthe2b Feb 2013 #1
Agreed lsewpershad Feb 2013 #31
Require insurance coverage tooeyeten Feb 2013 #2
This would have the added effect of putting the insurance industry in the mix ashling Feb 2013 #9
definitely! mwooldri Feb 2013 #12
Nope. Require insurance coverage for each and every gun kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #22
Finally! This is what we need! JDPriestly Feb 2013 #3
It looks like somebody is not awawe of federal law Travis_0004 Feb 2013 #4
Abortion is also protected, but that doesn't stop states from imposing LeftInTX Feb 2013 #7
That needs to be challenged/changed at the Federal level, ashling Feb 2013 #10
Simple changed the Federal law 3...2...1 upaloopa Feb 2013 #26
You know a hundred or so Republicans that would vote for that? NickB79 Feb 2013 #30
The state needs to pass the laws in defiance of federal law. Gun laws are traditionally mountain grammy Feb 2013 #40
It is definitely coming. Average, everyday people are getting an education that we didn't want but libdem4life Feb 2013 #5
So well stated Tumbulu Feb 2013 #13
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/responsible smccarter Feb 2013 #6
Don't make the f...ing gun no problem. upaloopa Feb 2013 #27
Punitive and unnecessary and probably an unconstitutional status punishment. Deep13 Feb 2013 #8
Forget it Tumbulu Feb 2013 #11
You have the same answer to everything upaloopa Feb 2013 #28
You forgot the false analogy Lordquinton Feb 2013 #35
I'm sorry, but you're wrong... RiverNoord Feb 2013 #32
about time. robinlynne Feb 2013 #14
I have been saying ever since Sandy Hook that all gun owners should be required SheilaT Feb 2013 #15
+1,000,000 n/t cosmicone Feb 2013 #18
Guns are irresponsible. Lordquinton Feb 2013 #36
Wondering if lawmakers have discussed this with the insurance industry - lynne Feb 2013 #16
You are incorrect. cosmicone Feb 2013 #17
Sorry, but I AM correct - lynne Feb 2013 #19
It varies from state to state n/t cosmicone Feb 2013 #20
They need to be held CRIMINALLY liable if there is kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #21
yes, and no possible second amendment overlap samsingh Feb 2013 #23
The gun industry makes obscene profits, while socializing the public cost...$175 billion libdem4life Feb 2013 #24
Yes! Gun owners need to actually BE responsible. Maineman Feb 2013 #25
When a gun owner dies... Maineman Feb 2013 #29
I see the goal 1983law Feb 2013 #33
Sounds like a good plan. idwiyo Feb 2013 #34
Accountability.....+++++ marions ghost Feb 2013 #37
Exempting handguns makes no sense whatsoever hack89 Feb 2013 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author brooklynite Feb 2013 #39
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